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Both are Montblanc, so that would put them among the top of the hierarchy among mainstream pens. Given Montblanc’s status, the brand gets outsized amounts of haters are well as boosters - similar to Rolex. If both of those pens are ballpoint, rather than fountain pens, that would put you outside of most every enthusiast conversation from the jump.
Nice pens, btw, I have the one on the left in bright red. I like the design, but the ink flow is terrible (it’s a fountain pen).
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