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The new model is not a classic... maybe the 16610 or the previous one... the new one in 41 mm in addition to being present everywhere you can't distinguish if it is fake or true... the Joe Schmoe as you say can have copies of the Submariner and you will never notice.... nowadays it's better to go for the vintage and exclusive... now if you want to shine in front of everyone you can some AP all in gold so that they see that you really shine... or if you are more discreet a PP 5711.....
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