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HKtoter · 19 November 2022, 07:52 AM

What is the consensus at TRF when a Rolex transfers to the vintage side?

Is there a specific date or when the model has been updated a few times?

Dan S · 19 November 2022, 08:23 AM

I guess we were due for one of these, it has been a while. ;-)

Kingface66 · 19 November 2022, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

I guess we were due for one of these, it has been a while. ;-)

swaini3 · 19 November 2022, 08:42 AM

Tools · 19 November 2022, 10:04 AM

Day after tomorrow.

I could be a little off though.

njsteve · 19 November 2022, 10:32 AM

Answer: If the watch is more than half your age and you have been wearing it since new.

(and you thought there wouldn't be any math involved here?)

springer · 19 November 2022, 12:14 PM

If you, the owner, call it and believe it is vintage, then it is vintage.

Old Expat Beast · 19 November 2022, 12:16 PM

About the same time it gets "old".

Filipão · 19 November 2022, 01:48 PM

Vintage is where the heart is.

Love your 16710 and wear it in good health!

JohnBaker3 · 20 November 2022, 02:40 AM

OP:

In the world of collectibles, in general, vintage starts at 30 years and antique starts at 100 years...

Hope that helps...

PS: Somewhere out there are some "antique" Rolexes!

indianmachine · 20 November 2022, 05:17 AM

everyone knows and no one knows.

alwayshere · 21 November 2022, 06:43 PM

>1000 posts and still this?

sorry mate....

TycoonTimes · 23 November 2022, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HKtoter

What is the consensus at TRF when a Rolex transfers to the vintage side?

Is there a specific date or when the model has been updated a few times?

Vintage comes from French Vingt Age. We do call vintage if more than 20 years.

brandrea · 23 November 2022, 05:04 AM

The older I get, the newer they become

ExplorerI · 23 November 2022, 05:10 AM

I’d consider tritium dial Rolex to be vintage at this point. 25 years now in most models. If it was a car it could wear an antique tag.

Filipão · 23 November 2022, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

The older I get, the newer they become

Tell me about it!

I'm more than triple vingt age...

(petit clin d'oeil pour Paname)

brandrea · 23 November 2022, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Filipão

Tell me about it!

I'm more than triple vingt age...

(petit clin d'oeil pour Paname)

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Kingface66 · 23 November 2022, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TycoonTimes

Vintage comes from French Vingt Age. We do call vintage if more than 20 years.

Uh, no. Its etymology is derived from, originally, the Latin word “Vinum” (wine/grape).

Filipão · 23 November 2022, 07:54 AM

The only french word I know its etymology is chauvin = chaud (hot) + vin (wine) ...

Kingface66 · 23 November 2022, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Filipão

The only french word I know its etymology is chauvin = chaud (hot) + vin (wine) ...

Now THERE’S an idea (watching outdoor temperature into the mid-30s)

TycoonTimes · 23 November 2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Filipão

The only french word I know its etymology is chauvin = chaud (hot) + vin (wine) ...

Hahahahahahaha ;-)

TycoonTimes · 23 November 2022, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

Uh, no. Its etymology is derived from, originally, the Latin word “Vinum” (wine/grape).

If you say so

Kingface66 · 23 November 2022, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TycoonTimes

If you say so

It’s not me saying so. It’s what it is. I was simply correcting your error. Apologies if you took offense.

Source - Merriam-Webster:

“Middle English, probably alteration of vendage, from Anglo-French vendage, vendenge, from Latin vindemia grape-gathering, vintage, from vinum wine, grapes + demere to take off, from de- + emere to take”

Filipão · 23 November 2022, 12:34 PM

@TycoonTimes

Yes please, don't take it personally, as you are well aware of, French, Italian, Castellano, Catalan, Galician and for this matter my mother language - Portuguese - are "latin languages", so the root of most of our words is Latin.

Mais ça vous le saviez déjà... Soyez le bienvenu à l'autel de la science Rolex!

Kingface66 · 23 November 2022, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Filipão

@TycoonTimes

Yes please, don't take it personally, as you are well aware of, French, Italian, Castellano, Catalan, Galician and for this matter my mother language - Portuguese - are "latin languages", so the root of most of our words is Latin.

Mais ça vous le saviez déjà... Soyez le bienvenu à l'autel de la science Rolex!

Thanks for chiming in, Filipe. And, of course, you are correct.
The greater point I was, apparently, not-so or perhaps too-subtly, trying to make, was that the word vintage has nothing to do with the number 20.
But, you’re right, we’re all here for a common passion and love of these ridiculously cool watches.

Cheers

baumare · 24 November 2022, 02:41 AM

Just to ad something to this TD I'll say that should be consider Vintage something that "represent the high quality of a past time",
so should not be only age but should also be considered the quality of the watch, otherwise is just hold...
Not an easy task , considering how subjective is the view of a 30/40/50 years watch

ADINVA · 24 November 2022, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

If you, the owner, call it and believe it is vintage, then it is vintage.

This!

dustin.owens · 25 November 2022, 04:31 AM

I'd say it's relative to your age. I bought my first Rolex (16610LN) new from AD when I got my first college degree in 1997. I feel it's just hitting vintage. However, 24 years from now my guess is that I won't consider the 124270 I picked up last year vintage because how fast I perceive the years to be going by now.

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SOG DIVER · 26 November 2022, 01:04 PM

When your elderly watchmaker says: "I haven't seen one of these in decades. I'm not sure I have the parts nor can I do a full service. "

PepsiBezel · 26 November 2022, 02:15 PM

When they stop liking it and talking about it on the main “Rolex General Discussion” TRF forum…

19 November 2022, 07:52 AM	#1
HKtoter "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: Roll Tide Watch: 16710 Pepsi Posts: 1,025	When does it go “Vintage” What is the consensus at TRF when a Rolex transfers to the vintage side? Is there a specific date or when the model has been updated a few times? __________________ LUG HOLE LOYALIST

19 November 2022, 08:23 AM	#2
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,993	I guess we were due for one of these, it has been a while. ;-) __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

19 November 2022, 10:04 AM	#5
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,180	Day after tomorrow. I could be a little off though. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

19 November 2022, 12:14 PM	#7
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,242	If you, the owner, call it and believe it is vintage, then it is vintage. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

19 November 2022, 12:16 PM	#8
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Hong Kong Watch: SEIKO Posts: 28,458	About the same time it gets "old". __________________ _______________________

19 November 2022, 08:42 AM	#4
swaini3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Mo Location: Dubai Watch: 1675 GMT, DRSD Posts: 1,439

19 November 2022, 10:32 AM	#6
njsteve "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: New Jersey Posts: 78	Answer: If the watch is more than half your age and you have been wearing it since new. (and you thought there wouldn't be any math involved here?)

19 November 2022, 01:48 PM	#9
Filipão "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Filipe Location: Lisbon & Wadesdah Watch: Never too many Posts: 1,898	Vintage is where the heart is. Love your 16710 and wear it in good health!

20 November 2022, 02:40 AM	#10
JohnBaker3 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: John Baker III Location: Spring,Texas Watch: 1971 Red Sub Posts: 2,221	OP: In the world of collectibles, in general, vintage starts at 30 years and antique starts at 100 years... Hope that helps... PS: Somewhere out there are some "antique" Rolexes! __________________ As I've grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing off everyone is a piece of cake.

20 November 2022, 05:17 AM	#11
indianmachine "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 792	everyone knows and no one knows.

21 November 2022, 06:43 PM	#12
alwayshere "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 1,524	>1000 posts and still this? sorry mate....

23 November 2022, 05:04 AM	#14
brandrea 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 74,431	The older I get, the newer they become

23 November 2022, 05:10 AM	#15
ExplorerI "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: USA Watch: Explorer I Posts: 739	I’d consider tritium dial Rolex to be vintage at this point. 25 years now in most models. If it was a car it could wear an antique tag.

23 November 2022, 07:54 AM	#19
Filipão "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Filipe Location: Lisbon & Wadesdah Watch: Never too many Posts: 1,898	The only french word I know its etymology is chauvin = chaud (hot) + vin (wine) ...

23 November 2022, 12:34 PM	#24
Filipão "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Filipe Location: Lisbon & Wadesdah Watch: Never too many Posts: 1,898	@TycoonTimes Yes please, don't take it personally, as you are well aware of, French, Italian, Castellano, Catalan, Galician and for this matter my mother language - Portuguese - are "latin languages", so the root of most of our words is Latin. Mais ça vous le saviez déjà... Soyez le bienvenu à l'autel de la science Rolex!

24 November 2022, 02:41 AM	#26
baumare "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: mario Location: NY-USA Watch: Rolex 1675/8 Posts: 525	Just to ad something to this TD I'll say that should be consider Vintage something that "represent the high quality of a past time", so should not be only age but should also be considered the quality of the watch, otherwise is just hold... Not an easy task , considering how subjective is the view of a 30/40/50 years watch

25 November 2022, 04:31 AM	#28
dustin.owens "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: US Posts: 16	I'd say it's relative to your age. I bought my first Rolex (16610LN) new from AD when I got my first college degree in 1997. I feel it's just hitting vintage. However, 24 years from now my guess is that I won't consider the 124270 I picked up last year vintage because how fast I perceive the years to be going by now. Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk

26 November 2022, 01:04 PM	#29
SOG DIVER "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Real Name: LtCol R Location: Mtns-NM-MT Watch: 1680Red-551214060M Posts: 241	When your elderly watchmaker says: "I haven't seen one of these in decades. I'm not sure I have the parts nor can I do a full service. "

26 November 2022, 02:15 PM	#30
PepsiBezel 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: USA Watch: Neo-Vintage Posts: 1,163	When they stop liking it and talking about it on the main “Rolex General Discussion” TRF forum…

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