Why is VC in the holy trinity?

[Luther89]

I’d like to know why they are considered part of the holy trinity? I personally don’t understand it.

Thanks

[james.l]

Because of the history and their complicated watches the used to make.

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[Luther89]

Originally Posted by james.l

Because of the history and their complicated watches the used to make.

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That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

[007_Omega]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

I'm sure Mercedes has a lot more historical innovation than Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc..but Mercedes isn't the top of the luxury food chain.

The holy trinity has to do with the level of finishing on the watch and grand complications. History plays a huge part as well because Lange from a modern standpoint should oust Vacheron and AP for a spot. Though I've heard people argue that the holy trinity refers to Swiss manufacturers which would knock Lange out of contention.

What hurts Vacheron is that they are not independently owned and have had multiple changes in ownership, including an Arab billionaire. They have also not picked up a mainstream celebrity following which hurts their wide appeal. People rap about Patek and AP but Vacheron is a niche of a niche. Both Patek and AP have had recent surges in mainstream popularity due to pop culture. It wasn't that hard to get a 5711 or Jumbo a few years ago.

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by 007_Omega

I'm sure Mercedes has a lot more historical innovation than Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc..but Mercedes isn't the top of the luxury food chain.

The holy trinity has to do with the level of finishing on the watch and grand complications. History plays a huge part as well because Lange from a modern standpoint should oust Vacheron and AP for a spot. Though I've heard people argue that the holy trinity refers to Swiss manufacturers which would knock Lange out of contention.

What hurts Vacheron is that they are not independently owned and have had multiple changes in ownership, including an Arab billionaire. They have also not picked up a mainstream celebrity following which hurts their wide appeal. People rap about Patek and AP but Vacheron is a niche of a niche. Both Patek and AP have had recent surges in mainstream popularity due to pop culture. It wasn't that hard to get a 5711 or Jumbo a few years ago.

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

Ohh? Is that so. You have sales numbers to back this up do you


AOW

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

Ah, I knew there's a rap compatibility component to this.

[007_Omega]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

They are wanted like a Mercedes or a BMW is wanted. A middle income person can save up for it or an upper-middle income person can have one, or a few, as a symbol of their success. People who have a lot of money can still appreciate them as everyday utilitarian pieces.

You are on the rolexforums. Most of us love Rolex. I own two. That doesn't mean I think they are the end all be all. I've owned a Mercedes and BMW but I've never owned a Ferrari. I can't afford a Ferrari, just like the average person can't go near a modern Patek, AP, or VC. Me buying a holy trinity watch is the equivalent of me selling my entire collection to get a used fairly entry level piece like a decent calatrava, royal oak, or overseas. I just wouldn't do that.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

I’ll put a dent in that thought.
My next sought after watches are a VC Overseas and a PP.
Since the latter has a long wait time, guess what I will be wearing this time next year, God willing?

[Gui Gui]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

Who do you think sells more suits, Armani or Gieves & Hawkes? Which do you think a 'rapper' is more likely to sing about or wear on their day in court?

[iliketime]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

have the be quite the accomplished lyricist to rhyme something with vacheron constantine, even PP has been featured in songs

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

That's what I like most about them. Along with a simple Calatrava, VC is top of the top for me.

[Rodrigo082]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

Rolex greatest complication, change the bezel color of the GMT ja jajajaja - oh no wait - add the jubilee- breathtaking complications 🤣🤣🤣

[007timer]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

You are right, It’s not a good answer nor a constructive one. They made some great watches and have a rich history that others on this forum can provide better information on.


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[startrolexendrolex]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

Because of this

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[kelv_w]

Originally Posted by startrolexendrolex

Because of this

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that ultra-thin is amazing and class! love it!

[RTG]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

Yes they do. Here is one example. Do a google search for a hundred more. VC will make things that Patek, AP, Rolex, omega wouldn’t dream of. For a price, they’ll make anything a customer wants.

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/vachero...atch-hands-on/

[SROB]

Originally Posted by RTG

Yes they do. Here is one example. Do a google search for a hundred more. VC will make things that Patek, AP, Rolex, omega wouldn’t dream of. For a price, they’ll make anything a customer wants.



https://www.ablogtowatch.com/vachero...atch-hands-on/

Amazing piece.

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[Syed117]

Because they paid their Holy Trinity Fees and Rolex refused to.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Syed117

Because they paid their Holy Trinity Fees and Rolex refused to.

its a fair question possibly if its VC vs another HH brand not included and why its VC and not them.

Its a ridiculous notion if its why is VC in it and Rolex isn't.

[Rodrigo082]

Originally Posted by Syed117

Because they paid their Holy Trinity Fees and Rolex refused to.

Crazy ignore answer - how dare you? Jajaja
Rolex is juts a average watch at same level as Omega.

Tell me one complication (real one) from Rolex besides changing the color on the bezel (that’s no a complication) haha haha

[beshannon]

Vacheron Constantin is one of the oldest watch manufacturers in the world with an uninterrupted watchmaking history since its founding.[1][4] It employs around 1,200 people worldwide as of 2018, most of whom are based in the company's manufacturing plants in Canton of Geneva and Vallée de Joux in Switzerland.[5]

Vacheron Constantin is a highly regarded watch manufacturer.[5][6][7][8][9] Over the years, notable Vacheron Constantin patrons and timepieces owners include Queen Elizabeth II, Pope Pius XI, Napoléon Bonaparte, Marlon Brando, William James, John D. Rockefeller, Diana Princess of Wales, Harry S. Truman, Wright brothers, and so on.[10][11][12][13][14] The Vacheron Constantin pocket watch No. 402833 (1929), which was owned by King Fuad I of Egypt, ranks as one of the most expensive watches ever sold at auction, fetching US$2.77 million (3,306,250 CHF) in Geneva on April 3, 2005.[15][16] In 2015, Vacheron Constantin introduced the pocket watch Reference 57260, which currently holds the title of the most complicated mechanical watch ever made, with 57 horological complications.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacheron_Constantin

https://www.theceomagazine.com/busin...on-constantin/

https://www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/b...on-constantin/

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by beshannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacheron_Constantin

https://www.theceomagazine.com/busin...on-constantin/

https://www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/b...on-constantin/

That pretty much answers the question

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invent the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

Vacheron Constantin is regarded by many watch aficionados as a pioneer in the precise manufacture of mechanical watch movements.

https://watchtime-shop.com/watchtime...ron-constantin

Originally Posted by brandrea

That pretty much answers the question

Thanks, I tried

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by brandrea

That pretty much answers the question

Not really. Only the last point is particularly impressive.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Luther89

Not really. Only the last point is particularly impressive.

Ok good luck then

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Ok good luck then

Not hating on them, just pointing out that it’s really the only thing that other brands cannot boast.

[TswaneNguni]

Who knows .

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Luther89

Not really. Only the last point is particularly impressive.

Let me try with some Habiokee help.


https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/wh...-the-big-three

[jag32]

Originally Posted by brandrea

That pretty much answers the question

I didn’t know Richemont owned Cartier. Wow