Did I buy a fake BLNR?

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by jsausley

100% fake I'm afraid. Dial text is wrong, dial markers are wrong, date wheel looks wrong, crown guards look wrong, even the clasp is wrong. Bad fake.

You couldn’t be more wrong.

The watch is a genuine 116710LN with a fake bezel insert and GMT hand.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

You couldn’t be more wrong.

The watch is a genuine 116710LN with a fake bezel insert and GMT hand.

I’ll make sure not to rely on you for expertise.
Nothing real about that entire watch.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

I’ll make sure not to rely on you for expertise.
Nothing real about that entire watch.

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, along with 95% of the posters in this thread.

Do you care to explain what’s not real about the case, rehaut engravings, dial, crystal, bracelet, clasp, hands (except the GMT hand) or are you just jumping on the band wagon?

I suspect the latter, as you clearly haven’t got a clue what you’re looking at.

[imperio]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, along with 95% of the posters in this thread.

Do you care to explain what’s not real about the case, rehaut engravings, dial, crystal, bracelet, clasp, hands (except the GMT hand) or are you just jumping on the band wagon?

I suspect the latter, as you clearly haven’t got a clue what you’re looking at.

The chapter ring is way off.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by imperio

The chapter ring is way off.

It’s an early 116710ln poorly converted to a BLNR with fake parts. The rehaut engraving design has been changed on these watches. It’s perfect for the period. Have a look at 2008-2011ish models and look at the engravings. They’ll be exactly the same; dark double engraved. They then changed to a lighter, double engraving around 2012. They were then changed again to what we have today, laser engraved.

Edit to add pictures.

2008 rehaut engraving the same as this watch:



2012 lighter double engraved:



2016 Current style laser engraved:

[blada4life]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

It’s an early 116710ln poorly converted to a BLNR with fake parts. The rehaut engraving design has been changed on these watches. It’s perfect for the period. Have a look at 2008-2011ish models and look at the engravings. They’ll be exactly the same; dark double engraved. They then changed to a lighter, double engraving around 2012. They were then changed again to what we have today, laser engraved.

Edit to add pictures.

2008 rehaut engraving the same as this watch:



2012 lighter double engraved:



2016 Current style laser engraved:

Although I don’t necessarily disagree with you given there sand blasted clasp ( which means pre 2016), the rehaut appears completely off center. Also, the AR costing on the date window appears to reflect correct sapphire crystal so assuming the movement pans out I think this was just a refurb LN that maybe was not put together well after it was taken apart to replace the GmT hand and make any other repairs we may not even be aware of.


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[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by blada4life

Although I don’t necessarily disagree with you given there sand blasted clasp ( which means pre 2016), the rehaut appears completely off center. Also, the AR costing on the date window appears to reflect correct sapphire crystal so assuming the movement pans out I think this was just a refurb LN that maybe was not put together well after it was taken apart to replace the GmT hand and make any other repairs we may not even be aware of.


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The watch in question is more than likely a 2008 M serial. If it’s not the angle of pictures, then you’re right, when the hand was changed and the movement dropped back in the case, the movement screws may have been done up before the stem was fitted back in, watch maker didn’t check dial lined up properly, causing the dial to be slightly off with the rehaut engravings. I’ve even seen it on brand new watches straight from an AD, it’s rare but it happens. That hand obviously wasn’t fitted by Rolex though.

No fake GMT case has ever got those dark double line engraved rehaut engravings right.

I’m certain it’s a genuine 116710ln. If it’s not an M serial it’s a very late Z.

EDIT: Just had another look at the pictures. You’re definitely right, the movement/dial was refitted slightly off when it was recased.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, along with 95% of the posters in this thread.

Do you care to explain what’s not real about the case, rehaut engravings, dial, crystal, bracelet, clasp, hands (except the GMT hand) or are you just jumping on the band wagon?

I suspect the latter, as you clearly haven’t got a clue what you’re looking at.

Seems you melted down over my simple comment.
My statement still stands.
I’ll make sure not to rely on you for expertise.

I seem to recall a rule about not discussing fakes in detail.
Nothing to be offended by. To each their own opinion.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

Seems you melted down over my simple comment.
My statement still stands.
I’ll make sure not to rely on you for expertise.

I seem to recall a rule about not discussing fakes in detail.
Nothing to be offended by. To each their own opinion.