Considering Trading - Sub (116610LN) for Explorer II (216570)

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by Sauzo

I sold my sub and later picked up a 16570, the 40mm polar Explorer ll. If you like the Explorer ll more, go for it. I’d imagine getting another black sub will get easier as prices drop and flippers exit. I mean it’s a sub, one of Rolexes most produced watch. Heck I’ve gone through 2 subs so far but I generally buy and sell watches as I get bored. So far only 2 watches I really love are my 16570 and my 321. Waiting for my Snoopy so we’ll see if that’s the third watch I love.

Great thoughts. I might have to trade around a little bit.

[Flipmarine2k]

Originally Posted by Sooner78

How do you find the 216570 is compared to a Sub, comfort-wise? That's another small issue with the Sub. I like my bracelet to be relatively loose, and the Sub has the slightly bulbous case back. My understanding is that the Explorer II has a flatter case back, which is closer to the cheapie watches I'm used to.

I Have a little over 7" flatter/oval wrist... yes, the explorer II has a more flat caseback. the Exp II has a bit more taper than the maxi case sub, and the lugs are more slender as well than the 116610 which is a plus. the sub has the superior claps due to the glide lock. I still own 2 subs. 5 digit kermit and the 124060. All 3 are confortable but due to glidelock its hard to beat the current and your submariner for comfort.

[Jackie Daytona]

I would add the Exp. II and then see how it goes after a few months and what becomes more preferred, and then sell the other if you want to stick at one watch.

[yesnaya]

I think the sub is the better choice, especially long term. The SS bezel on the explorer is a big turn off to me. You may like that it is not shiny ceramic... but if its your daily wait till you see what it looks like in a couple of years - all dented and scratched up. The sub is the ultimate go anywhere, do anything watch; it has the glidelock, the bracelet is brushed, ceramic bezel is scratch (and dent) resistant...

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by yesnaya

I think the sub is the better choice, especially long term. The SS bezel on the explorer is a big turn off to me. You may like that it is not shiny ceramic... but if its your daily wait till you see what it looks like in a couple of years - all dented and scratched up. The sub is the ultimate go anywhere, do anything watch; it has the glidelock, the bracelet is brushed, ceramic bezel is scratch (and dent) resistant...

These are all good thoughts. Thank you.

[Daniel23456]

I have a 226570 and a 14060m so not exactly the setup you are talking about but I had a 16610 in the past as well and tried to give with a current sub a few times.

What bothers me about the new Sub is although the bezel is ceramic and won't scratch, the rest of the watch is just normal steel that takes up scratches. That look is a bit weird to me.
The way that steel (or in my submariner’s case- aluminum) reflects light is just nicer IMO and gives you a warmer & vintage feeling.

I love my 14060 and 226570 and couldn't possibly decide which one I’d keep. One thing to note, the submariner is so recognizable to the point that I sometimes avoid wearing it which is really not ideal for a daily. However, I find the bezel more useful on a daily basis than the GMT hand on the EXPII.

If funds allow, add the EXPII and decide for yourself- that is the best route.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by Daniel23456

I have a 226570 and a 14060m so not exactly the setup you are talking about but I had a 16610 in the past as well and tried to give with a current sub a few times.

What bothers me about the new Sub is although the bezel is ceramic and won't scratch, the rest of the watch is just normal steel that takes up scratches. That look is a bit weird to me.
The way that steel (or in my submariner’s case- aluminum) reflects light is just nicer IMO and gives you a warmer & vintage feeling.

I love my 14060 and 226570 and couldn't possibly decide which one I’d keep. One thing to note, the submariner is so recognizable to the point that I sometimes avoid wearing it which is really not ideal for a daily. However, I find the bezel more useful on a daily basis than the GMT hand on the EXPII.

If funds allow, add the EXPII and decide for yourself- that is the best route.

On the aluminum bezel, I never did care for it in pictures, but it's much nicer looking in person. I wish the AD never would have brought it out. That's the reason for this dilemma lol.

[Brian Page]

If you sell the sub, you'll end up buying it again anyway - trust me

[rushca01]

Originally Posted by Brian Page

If you sell the sub, you'll end up buying it again anyway - trust me

yep….

[amh]

I have something similar, an SD43 and latest 42mm Exp2. I would never downgrade from a Sub to Exp series if this were going to be my only watch.

Sub
- Likely the most classic Rolex after the DJ
- As pointed out, can be worn with anything
- Not too big, not too small - just right!
- OP I know you think it's too shiny but believe me... even here it's just right
- Better clasp

Exp2
- It's "safe" for sure (no one will know it's a Rolex)
- Total tool watch. This is good, but it's very muted
- GMT is a nice bonus, functional in every way
- Wears well

Only you know OP. Add one when it makes sense but I wouldn't dump the Sub.

[Lesnerelli23]

Originally Posted by MichelleP

I suggest if funds allow, picking up the Explorer II and give it a few months. If you feel its a better watch for you, then sell the Sub.

That’s exactly what I was going to say. There’s really no risk if you have the means.

You likely won’t take a loss on either if you decide to only keep one :)


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[Gerardus]

Originally Posted by amh

I have something similar, an SD43 and latest 42mm Exp2. I would never downgrade from a Sub to Exp series if this were going to be my only watch.

Sub
- Likely the most classic Rolex after the DJ
- As pointed out, can be worn with anything
- Not too big, not too small - just right!
- OP I know you think it's too shiny but believe me... even here it's just right
- Better clasp

Exp2
- It's "safe" for sure (no one will know it's a Rolex)
- Total tool watch. This is good, but it's very muted
- GMT is a nice bonus, functional in every way
- Wears well

Only you know OP. Add one when it makes sense but I wouldn't dump the Sub.

I disagree on some points.
Sub is more populair by the consensus but IMHO is the EXII not below a steel Sub. So no downgrading.
Secondly is the smaller clasp a (cosmetic) better clasp then the anabolic sub clasp.
The Sub and EXII serve a different public with an overlap.
I like my EXII much more then my sold 116610LN.

[Charlie Tango]

Keep the sub, add the EXPII when possible. If you can find a polar to try, I would strongly recommend that one —mine gets the most wear of any watch that I own


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[rockysw]

for me between the two, it would be submariner. Its a better looking watch. But you can try on the exhibition pieces and and if you like the 216570 more then go for it.

[Daveh3196]

Originally Posted by Sooner78

How do you find the 216570 is compared to a Sub, comfort-wise? That's another small issue with the Sub. I like my bracelet to be relatively loose, and the Sub has the slightly bulbous case back. My understanding is that the Explorer II has a flatter case back, which is closer to the cheapie watches I'm used to.

I have a black dial 216570 and the new 41mm sub. To answer your question regarding comfort. I consider them both to be quite comfortable but the sub tends to sit on the wrist while the explorer II becomes one with the wrist. If I had to pick a winner for comfort and fit it would be the explorer II.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by amh

I have something similar, an SD43 and latest 42mm Exp2. I would never downgrade from a Sub to Exp series if this were going to be my only watch.

Sub
- Likely the most classic Rolex after the DJ
- As pointed out, can be worn with anything
- Not too big, not too small - just right!
- OP I know you think it's too shiny but believe me... even here it's just right
- Better clasp

Exp2
- It's "safe" for sure (no one will know it's a Rolex)
- Total tool watch. This is good, but it's very muted
- GMT is a nice bonus, functional in every way
- Wears well

Only you know OP. Add one when it makes sense but I wouldn't dump the Sub.

Great thoughts, my man. Thanks for the good input.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by Gerardus

I disagree on some points.
Sub is more populair by the consensus but IMHO is the EXII not below a steel Sub. So no downgrading.
Secondly is the smaller clasp a (cosmetic) better clasp then the anabolic sub clasp.
The Sub and EXII serve a different public with an overlap.
I like my EXII much more then my sold 116610LN.

Appreciate this. How do you compare the fit/comfort between the two? I like to wear the bracelet pretty loose (some would say, the "wrong way"). Just my personal preference.

[Garry1]

I will personally keep the sub and add the Exp when I can.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by rockysw

for me between the two, it would be submariner. Its a better looking watch. But you can try on the exhibition pieces and and if you like the 216570 more then go for it.

Yeah, it's tough to find an exhibition 216570 in my area, but I loved the 226570, and I think the two are similar enough for me. I tried on a 126610 before buying the 116610, and there's not much of a difference to me, although others would strongly disagree. In any event, I think the previous and current Exp IIs are close enough to base a decision off the look of the newer one. So I'm more concerned about the fit.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by Daveh3196

I have a black dial 216570 and the new 41mm sub. To answer your question regarding comfort. I consider them both to be quite comfortable but the sub tends to sit on the wrist while the explorer II becomes one with the wrist. If I had to pick a winner for comfort and fit it would be the explorer II.

Perfect. This is exactly the input I need. Thank you.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by Lesnerelli23

That’s exactly what I was going to say. There’s really no risk if you have the means.

You likely won’t take a loss on either if you decide to only keep one :)


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Great point. Although I do notice a lot of the 216s at trusted sellers don't seem to be moving very fast. Either way, I'm fine with taking a small hit to get this right. Hell, I might end up keeping 'em both, if I go that route.

[wgdaytona]

Explorer II is a nice watch, but KEEP THE SUB.

[Lesnerelli23]

Originally Posted by Sooner78

Great point. Although I do notice a lot of the 216s at trusted sellers don't seem to be moving very fast. Either way, I'm fine with taking a small hit to get this right. Hell, I might end up keeping 'em both, if I go that route.

I imagine you’d keep them both. They are both spectacular pieces! I absolutely love my 116610, it’s my favorite generation of Submariner and I think it will have a future following for its unique characteristics.

Happy hunting


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[Gerardus]

Originally Posted by Sooner78

Appreciate this. How do you compare the fit/comfort between the two? I like to wear the bracelet pretty loose (some would say, the "wrong way"). Just my personal preference.

The Sub case-back is due its purpose as a dive watch a tad higher then the broader flat case-back from the EXII. So, al least on my wrist, the flatter case back generates more wearing comfort.
(I own and wear also a Bluesy 116613LB which makes it easy to compare)

This counts also, to a lesser extent, for the clasp, smaller and less higher.

Just my 2ct….

[danwang0520]

Personally, I wouldn't trade away a Submariner for an Explorer....but if it sings to you, go for it

[Miker86]

Considering you have other submariners I would take the EXPII myself. The black dial 226570 is very good and will give you more variety in your collection.

[Alphaguy]

Good luck with that.

[Sooner78]

Originally Posted by Gerardus

The Sub case-back is due its purpose as a dive watch a tad higher then the broader flat case-back from the EXII. So, al least on my wrist, the flatter case back generates more wearing comfort.
(I own and wear also a Bluesy 116613LB which makes it easy to compare)

This counts also, to a lesser extent, for the clasp, smaller and less higher.

Just my 2ct….

Gotcha. Makes sense.

[zoro4now]

Don't sell, just add.

[Jonny8]

I’ve had both (all be it a 114060) and a 124060 and would place them in this order for comfort:

124060 (just)
226570
114060

I would as others have suggested, try to add first and then move one on.

The Steve McQueen comparison for casual doesn’t really work for me as he is wearing a smaller non ceramic sub, not one of the larger shiney ones!