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13 April 2024, 07:27 AM | #61 |
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Hah 20m Im assuming for AP is not enough. I meant that AP distinguished those 3 levels so there must be some tangible difference. 50m AP said ok for surface swimming which I've done but I also get my watches I get wet pressure tested. I guess my point is I wish patek differentiated some, there's no way a celestial has the same WR as a 5711
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Your thinking is not correct...
TLDR Static pressure is all that matters when you are diving or swimming. Different story if you fall off a speed boat or jet ski. Static pressure is rho x g x h, dynamic pressure is rho /2 x v^2 and I didn't get my PhD in physics to remember that... LOL For dynamic pressure equivalent to the static pressure at h = 30m depth you'd need to move your hands at nearly 25m/s or 90 km/h in the water. Try to do that as a human being in water... Different story if you fall off a speed boat or jet ski but then you'll have other problems. But I'd not use a 30m rated Patek on a jet ski. For dynamic pressure equivalent to the static pressure at h = 120m depth the required speed increases to around 50m/s or 180 km/h. Of course you need to add static and dynamic pressure to arrive at the total pressure you'll need to compare with the rating of your watch. I have been using my 5711 swimming, free diving (won't get lower than 10m depth), and paddling all the time and I have been doing the same with my 60m rated IWC Mark XV for 20+ years no problem. |
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Just to add, jumping into the water / cliff diving is a problem just like falling off a jet ski. If you jump from 5m you'll enter the water at 10m/s. In theory this leaves quite some safety margin to the 25m/s equivalent of a 30m depth rating but I'd avoid any jumping unless a watch is rated at 100+m. |
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I do wonder if Patek would cover repairs in all cases where water ingress had occurred in a swimming pool or a swim in the sea. I am also slightly suspicious that depths over 30m claims for their watches have been reduced to 30m. |
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https://www.iwc.com/de/en/specials/water-resistant.html No idea how easy it would be to have Patek (or any watch maker) cover the repairs in case of actual water damage and hopefully I will never find out. |
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Water resistant/proof of watches has been complete garbage for years, instruction manuals will say 5atm yeah you be good for light swimming and heavy rain. The 50 metres has zero relevance.
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14 April 2024, 12:34 AM | #74 |
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Brave man to try it! My 5320 is banned from water along with its sibling the 5172. The 5811 has a screw down crown and a bracelet so I’d risk that if I could find a holiday location and beach where it was safe to wear one. Other PP’s with leather straps are obviously out of the question.
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Just to let folks know, a friend was at the Patek salon today and asked if the 30M water resistance standpoint of diving, showering, bathing etc. applies to older models too and they said this year and moving forward only. That does make it more confusing but yeah hope this helps!
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None of my APs ever failed a pressure test or in the field. My 50m 15400 passed 10 bars perfectly last time I had it checked.
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f 30m wr can't even play with kids in a pool splashing throwing them in the air ect ect. PP says for easy type swimming only. f glad I have me 1999 5066 stood up to above and more in the water no not scuba lol
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Haven't you heard? No Patek has a higher rating than 30m than before. Im assuming next time you have it serviced they won't test for 120m.
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That is such BS that is unbelievable your AD would say something irresponsible like that.
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This is a very odd policy choice. I have worn both my 5712 and 5726 into the water of all kinds…ocean, pool,etc. I did have a problem with an annual calendar (5146 1/g) that was on a bracelet that did get water into it and it was rated 30m. I a;so used to own several Royal Oaks and did the same , including a perp cal. Basically either PP has been lying about its water resistance on its pieces or this new policy is a way so that they don’t really have to stand behind it. Will they say if water gets into your 5167 or 5726 that at 30m it’s not really meant for the water? Meanwhile, Rolex is tasted to 20% ABOVE its stated level of water resistance.
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Sad that they are downgrading, expect more from PP
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So, the aquanaut and nautilus essentially now have the same water resistance as a navitimer. Would you swim with a navitimer?
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What a PR disaster. I don't understand this rationale at all. Basically sounds like they are admitting their clientele never goes beyond 30m despite the rating so they will just make everything 30m and that way they don't have to deal with warranty issues? They are basically not standing by their product in the most asinine and shortsighted way as to why these rating even exist.
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If you want to go swimming / diving, Rolex with its screw down crown is the way to go. I would take what AP and PP say regarding their “sports” pieces with a big pinch of sea salt :)
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