Smurf look at SS Sub price?

[quantumdna]

All is well but what bothers me is replacing the OEM bezel and dial of the 116610LN with fake parts. What is stopping you to do this with other unsuspecting or not so knowledgeable clients? It would not be caught until the watch goes in for a service to RSC.

We all remember the debacle of “horologyhouse” right?

[mmaggi]

I wouldn't be able to do it

[1William]

I would not wear or do that to a watch I own. I prefer to wear what I can afford and not try to make something pass for something it is not. I think it tells a lot about a person who misrepresents an item to be something that it is not.

[Mohawkman450]

White gold is all about wealth an stealth

[johnorpheus]

Originally Posted by denmanproject

Wow this is a wildly ignorant statement

Yeah. I asked him if he'd actually owned a Tudor and if could provide some insightful opinions on why he didn't care for them. Of course he never responded. Nothing worse than when someone offers an inane opinion with no experience to back it up. There are definitely members on here who have owned Tudors who express concerns mostly regarding the bracelet (fake rivets and lack of quick adjust) but otherwise praise the design and movement. Overall it seems like a great watch, especially for the price.

[Bigblu10]

OP, are you concerned that you have potentially compromised your integrity as a watch dealer by going public with this modified watch on a worldwide forum? The fact that the watch has been fitted with FAKE, not "aftermarket" parts may hurt you as a businessman in the future. I can personally say I would think twice about doing business with you after seeing the watch and this thread. It might be a bit different if the dial and insert were OEM Rolex parts. But they are not.

[crbrown]

So weird these responses as if they don’t modify their homes, cars, or clothes to be something different than the maker intended.

[Mr. K]

OP, I understand that you want to please your client. And you did so by giving him the "look" he wanted at a greatly reduced price than it would have cost to buy the same configuration straight from Rolex. Look is the same.

I'm curious, would you feel differently if this was a Kermit? If a customer liked the "look" of the Kermit and wanted to save some money, would you take their 5 digit sub and put aftermarket LV dial, hands and bezel on it? It would give the customer the "look" he wanted, and also save him a ton of money. Would this situation be any different in your eyes? Or just giving the customer what he wants while saving them money.

In the second hypothetical situation, the customer is honest, and would not be trying to sell the watch as a Kermit or do anything unethical like that. The watch would be purely for the customer's enjoyment.The customer just likes the look, but doesn't want to pay Kermit prices.

[HONDABBQ]

Wanna play you gotta pay.
just a poseur in my opinion.

[franktehtank]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Friend has a 116610LN with genuine Smurf dial and bezel insert and looks good!


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Got a pic? I'd love to see this. I think it'd look incredible on the brushed oyster bracelet.

[00Seven]

"Aftermarket" parts? NO way. Starts blurring the lines between fake and authentic to me.

[springer]

It's not for me but I'm sure Marco would go for it!

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by franktehtank

Got a pic? I'd love to see this. I think it'd look incredible on the brushed oyster bracelet.

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[Aymara59]

Originally Posted by timepiecegentleman

I personally love the white gold Smurf and I can justify the price. I have the yellow gold 116618 and plan to add a white gold later this year.

However, I know not many people can wrap their heads around spending 25-30k on white gold when, to the common person, it looks like stainless steel.

This was the same concern a client had but dead set on getting the look. So we converted a 116610LN.

I may get shunned for this but I actually love how it came out. Yes we took OEM parts off and replaced with aftermarket but the client absolutely loves it and it’s his watch to do as he pleases.

My question is, would you wear it?




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Frankenstein! Not the real thing!


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[a_plus1234]

I personally would not put an aftermarket dial or bezel.

[chriswang0130]

No, I’d go for the real deal

[donas]

I like the looks, but I personally wouldn't want it. I have no issue with owners modifying their watches to suit their own likes and desires, but to me this is creating a fake. I understand it is still a real Rolex, but by the definition of "fake" it is trying to make something appear to be what it isn't.

I owned the real deal for several years but grew tired of having a watch that garnered so much attention so I traded it. (Not gonna lie, that may have been a mistake)

[Roddypeepa]

Originally Posted by Number3

I went half way by adding a genuine WG bezel and blue insert from a 116619 on to my 114060. Thought it was perfect until I managed to rip off the pearl in an accident. Now it has more of a Blueberry vibe!

Lush. I think Rolex should make a no date smurf and no date hulk in SS to keep the tooly vibe.


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[hectorlopez]

Originally Posted by crbrown

So weird these responses as if they don’t modify their homes, cars, or clothes to be something different than the maker intended.

To me this is like like buying a base BMW or Mercedes and putting an M badge or an AMG badge on it, not just changing the color or exhaust.

H

[James5599]

Originally Posted by hectorlopez

To me this is like like buying a base BMW or Mercedes and putting an M badge or an AMG badge on it, not just changing the color or exhaust.

H

320D drivers love an M badge.

[Euge]

Originally Posted by SubMarin18

Great photo!

Thanks


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[Mr. K]

Originally Posted by donas

I owned the real deal for several years but grew tired of having a watch that garnered so much attention so I traded it. (Not gonna lie, that may have been a mistake)

Interesting, thank you for sharing. I would have thought the white gold would have attracted less attention rather than more. But I guess there are some real Rolex enthusiast who will know the difference.

I guess the saying is true, the grass always looks greener on the other side.

[donas]

Originally Posted by Mr. K

Interesting, thank you for sharing. I would have thought the white gold would have attracted less attention rather than more. But I guess there are some real Rolex enthusiast who will know the difference.

I guess the saying is true, the grass always looks greener on the other side.

Based on what so many say, as well as my own thoughts, I would have guessed it was really a fly under the radar watch. My wife, who isn't into watches at all, could not believe how often we were stopped or someone said something in passing while in a mall, restaurant, etc. We are both retired LEOs, so the watch often made us feel like we were making ourselves more likely to be targeted / victims (well, a victim at the beginning of the incident anyhow ). Unfortunately, those who commented didn't always resemble what one would envision as a watch enthusiast, lol.

[RobGomez]

Or you could get a smurf “look” with a two-tone Sub with the flat blue dial... for around the (grey) market price of a SS sub


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[kumar75203]

The aftermarket parts makes this is a tough one for me. If the conversion was done with OEM dial and bezel, I would wear it even if some people thought I was faking having a 116619.

[YourNameHere]

Making changes like that makes the genuine watch into a Fugazi. If you can’t justify the price, just leave it at that.

[timepiecegentleman]

Originally Posted by watchmework

I like it from an aesthetic perspective but I generally like watches as they come from the factory.

How much did it cost to convert the bezel and dial?

Both the dial and bezel are aftermarket and the polish and labor you would looking at roughly $1500.

[timepiecegentleman]

Originally Posted by Roddypeepa

Lush. I think Rolex should make a no date smurf and no date hulk in SS to keep the tooly vibe.


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No Date Hulk.. I would be all over this!!!

[timepiecegentleman]

Originally Posted by Mr. K

OP, I understand that you want to please your client. And you did so by giving him the "look" he wanted at a greatly reduced price than it would have cost to buy the same configuration straight from Rolex. Look is the same.

I'm curious, would you feel differently if this was a Kermit? If a customer liked the "look" of the Kermit and wanted to save some money, would you take their 5 digit sub and put aftermarket LV dial, hands and bezel on it? It would give the customer the "look" he wanted, and also save him a ton of money. Would this situation be any different in your eyes? Or just giving the customer what he wants while saving them money.

In the second hypothetical situation, the customer is honest, and would not be trying to sell the watch as a Kermit or do anything unethical like that. The watch would be purely for the customer's enjoyment.The customer just likes the look, but doesn't want to pay Kermit prices.

That's actually a great question and honestly this is a situation I would not do for the simple fact that it could be passed as an original without papers to an unsuspecting buyer.

The smurf/ss sub conversion is different in my eyes because one is solid gold while the other is clearly much lighter to the touch and could not be passed as an original.

It also comes down to the client. This is a very rare instance that we have ever converted a watch but I know this client well and know he would never try to dupe someone with it. He simply thought the look would be cool and thats what he wanted.

[GradyPhilpott]

I wouldn't touch it, personally.