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Boopie · 8 January 2015, 11:43 AM

I love my SS/platinum Yachtmaster. Its polished bracelet does attract scratches, but my watch turns 14 next month, and it still looks amazing after wearing it nearly every day. It is the only watch that I wear, and I get a kick looking at it.

That being said I don't pretend that it is as popular as the Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, GMT, or Daytona. As to why? Perhaps it is because it is a fairly new watch that doesn't have a lineage. Whether or not every GMT owner is a pilot, it does have the extra hand feature that is helpful. The Yachtmaster is, essentially, a dressier Submariner without the certified depth rating or the wetsuit extension on the clasp. I like the bi-directional bezel, but it doesn't serve a stated purpose, such as the uni-directional bezel with audible clicks on the Submariner.

Ads for used YM do suggest that the resale isn't as good as for the Subs.

I saw print ads showing "Dr. Phil" wearing one, but they haven't seemed to catch on. I don't think the average, non-WIS knows what a Yachtmaster is (whereas the Submariner, DateJust/Presidents, and Daytonas are iconic).

The fact that the watch isn't popular doesn't bother me, but it is interesting to see why it still isn't relatively well-known 15 years after its introduction.

Brushpup · 8 January 2015, 12:10 PM

Post up a pic of that watch Boopie. Would love to see 15 years of scratches.

dexvd · 8 January 2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Boopie

I love my SS/platinum Yachtmaster. Its polished bracelet does attract scratches, but my watch turns 14 next month, and it still looks amazing after wearing it nearly every day. It is the only watch that I wear, and I get a kick looking at it.

That being said I don't pretend that it is as popular as the Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, GMT, or Daytona. As to why? Perhaps it is because it is a fairly new watch that doesn't have a lineage. Whether or not every GMT owner is a pilot, it does have the extra hand feature that is helpful. The Yachtmaster is, essentially, a dressier Submariner without the certified depth rating or the wetsuit extension on the clasp. I like the bi-directional bezel, but it doesn't serve a stated purpose, such as the uni-directional bezel with audible clicks on the Submariner.

Ads for used YM do suggest that the resale isn't as good as for the Subs.

I saw print ads showing "Dr. Phil" wearing one, but they haven't seemed to catch on. I don't think the average, non-WIS knows what a Yachtmaster is (whereas the Submariner, DateJust/Presidents, and Daytonas are iconic).

The fact that the watch isn't popular doesn't bother me, but it is interesting to see why it still isn't relatively well-known 15 years after its introduction.

The fact that Dr. Phil was used in ads for YM's is probably the first thing I have seen that has gave me a negative reaction to the YM so far... My short list for everyday sports watch is now narrowed down to the Aquanaut, YM and Overseas 42042, the Overseas and YM are the same price pre-owned which is what I will go for... Has anyone put a rubber bracelet like the aquanaut on the YM? I wonder how that would look, I looked at a YM in person today and as you commented about the polished links being scratch magnets I commented to my AD while I had it in hand that I wish it was without the polished links...

Edit: This looks awesome to me

JJL · 9 January 2015, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Boopie

I love my SS/platinum Yachtmaster. Its polished bracelet does attract scratches, but my watch turns 14 next month, and it still looks amazing after wearing it nearly every day. It is the only watch that I wear, and I get a kick looking at it.

That being said I don't pretend that it is as popular as the Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, GMT, or Daytona. As to why? Perhaps it is because it is a fairly new watch that doesn't have a lineage. Whether or not every GMT owner is a pilot, it does have the extra hand feature that is helpful. The Yachtmaster is, essentially, a dressier Submariner without the certified depth rating or the wetsuit extension on the clasp. I like the bi-directional bezel, but it doesn't serve a stated purpose, such as the uni-directional bezel with audible clicks on the Submariner.

Ads for used YM do suggest that the resale isn't as good as for the Subs.

I saw print ads showing "Dr. Phil" wearing one, but they haven't seemed to catch on. I don't think the average, non-WIS knows what a Yachtmaster is (whereas the Submariner, DateJust/Presidents, and Daytonas are iconic).

The fact that the watch isn't popular doesn't bother me, but it is interesting to see why it still isn't relatively well-known 15 years after its introduction.

I agree! I'm in the same boat (no pun intended). It's my first and only Rolex at this point, and I wear it every day. You also bring up a good point on the arguement that non-WIS are potentially more likely to enter an AD and go right for a more iconic/popular models such as the DJ, Sub, GMT, Daytona, etc..

Anyways, as someone else mentioned, I'd love to see some current pics of your 14 year old YM if you don't mind. I've had mine for 4 years and I'd like to see how yours is holding up!!

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Originally Posted by dexvd

The fact that Dr. Phil was used in ads for YM's is probably the first thing I have seen that has gave me a negative reaction to the YM so far... My short list for everyday sports watch is now narrowed down to the Aquanaut, YM and Overseas 42042, the Overseas and YM are the same price pre-owned which is what I will go for... Has anyone put a rubber bracelet like the aquanaut on the YM? I wonder how that would look, I looked at a YM in person today and as you commented about the polished links being scratch magnets I commented to my AD while I had it in hand that I wish it was without the polished links...

Edit: This looks awesome to me

It looks awesome and would totally work! That's one thing I love about the YM, it's sporty yet dressy appearance works with the oyster, super jubilee, a nato/zulu, a leather strap, rubber, etc... plus it's platinum coloing works with any color combination. The watch is so versatile!!

I swap mine between the oyster and natos about 50/50% of the time.

PS - but I agree Dr Phil exposure is not good , lol

yOyOYoo · 9 January 2015, 12:10 PM

Looking at all of these YM pics, anyone else think the YM would look great with a white face?

venom43 · 9 January 2015, 12:24 PM

Always liked the platty.....but when I saw the TT it was over. Best TT other than the iconic bluesy...IMO.
Then again I got a thing for black mother of pearl.

shay2nak · 9 January 2015, 01:45 PM

I don't like the bezel on the YM. Kind of pointless to have the YM when the Sub is available.

LuminousMaximus · 9 January 2015, 02:14 PM

I feel that the very fact that we are having this discussion is the Primordial Soup that marks the beginning of a YachtMaster Trend, so concentrated that the sheer number of posts will, "Break the internet!"

Yea, I'd probably say that about any watch I owned...lol

U5512 · 9 January 2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shay2nak

I don't like the bezel on the YM. Kind of pointless to have the YM when the Sub is available.

It's totally a different watch hence the name is Yacht-Master. I surely hope that it does look ddifferent than the Sub to you.

gocsan · 10 January 2015, 12:59 AM

I actually really like the watch in terms of its looks, especially with the blue dial. I purchased the sub over the YM because I didn't like the idea that the platinum bezel is more prone to scratches than ceramic and platinum bezel would be a more costly replacement. Perhaps a lot of people think the same as me and that's why the watch doesn't hold its value? Dunno

CRVROLEX · 10 January 2015, 08:19 AM

Absolutely! I recently had my wife's mid size serviced and noticed something odd. The dial appears to be discolored. I am not sure if it is an unevenness of cleaning or what. Any advice? I will try to post a pic soon but I left it so that they can continue to work on it. The middle of the dial is lighter and the outer edges are darker.

James K · 10 January 2015, 09:28 AM

I had a little bit of a mental barrier on buying the watch once it cracked that $10,000 mark. Just the tax alone was more than all the Movados in the showroom case. In the end though it still appealed to me enough to pull the trigger on the first trip to the AD. I also agree that the monochromatic nature of the band & bezel can stir some people away from it.

Maxfli · 10 January 2015, 11:30 AM

Unpopular? Wish someone had told me. I'd love to have a YM!

genauto · 10 January 2015, 12:06 PM

I like it and its my list for 2015.

RHIII · 17 January 2015, 12:58 PM

Not unpopular to me...I picked this up from my AD today...The dial is stunning and the contrast to the platinum bezel is awesome. And it wears phenomenally. My new daily...

Mason2314 · 17 January 2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brushpup

Boat Master

How about "Mariner"?

Skittman · 17 January 2015, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

No disdain from my experience. Just more love for its Sub sibling. Doesn't change the fact that it's a great watch.

Nothing but love here....

It's my everyday watch. It gives me as much pleasure today as it did 2 years ago.

A watch that must be worn to be appreciated.

Ps. My new SS Daytona arrives on Friday

RHIII · 17 January 2015, 11:46 PM

When I bought my new YM yesterday I was discussing this topic somewhat with a couple of friends of mine at my AD. Now, I have to be completely honest and say that the word 'unpopular' NEVER came up, but we did discuss.

I think a lot first depends on location...what are people looking for in particular. Then look at what the most popular seller is (no doubt the stainless sub and or gmt). Sometimes for people's first watch. This is in NO WAY a bad thing. Then it's the price delta...the stainless and platinum YM is significantly more expensive than many other stainless models available to people. And truth is, many buyers look primarily at individual aesthetics compared to price when making a significant purchase like this.

Now...regardless of similarities...the YM is NOT a submariner. I have (and will always) LOVED my subs but this one is a different animal. I am not saying it is better by any means...just different. When you see it in the case amongst all the other sport models I have to say though that it has a presence of its own and does stand out.

For me when I was looking for a new addition - it caught my eye some time ago and stands out AND I don't see many in the wild.

Hey..just my 2 cents but I think if you have never experienced one, or tried one on...do so...I bet you get a quick appreciation for it.

RollieVerde · 18 January 2015, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Boopie

I love my SS/platinum Yachtmaster. Its polished bracelet does attract scratches, but my watch turns 14 next month, and it still looks amazing after wearing it nearly every day. It is the only watch that I wear, and I get a kick looking at it.

That being said I don't pretend that it is as popular as the Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, GMT, or Daytona. As to why? Perhaps it is because it is a fairly new watch that doesn't have a lineage. Whether or not every GMT owner is a pilot, it does have the extra hand feature that is helpful. The Yachtmaster is, essentially, a dressier Submariner without the certified depth rating or the wetsuit extension on the clasp. I like the bi-directional bezel, but it doesn't serve a stated purpose, such as the uni-directional bezel with audible clicks on the Submariner.

Ads for used YM do suggest that the resale isn't as good as for the Subs.

I saw print ads showing "Dr. Phil" wearing one, but they haven't seemed to catch on. I don't think the average, non-WIS knows what a Yachtmaster is (whereas the Submariner, DateJust/Presidents, and Daytonas are iconic).

The fact that the watch isn't popular doesn't bother me, but it is interesting to see why it still isn't relatively well-known 15 years after its introduction.

Print ads w/Dr. Phil? What are you talking about? Were these ads for a local jeweler, or what? I can't see Rolex having anything to do with somebody like him.

yld2rob · 18 January 2015, 02:41 AM

Well the problem I have is the cost. IMO it is a beautiful watch but at that price point (retail) I can get a Daytona. Both of the watches I want to add to my collection. I understand putting a premium on top of a normal Sub c cost for the plat bezel but I think it is too much. I can understand another $1K or $1,500. So I am back in the debate of getting something totally different for my collection (the Daytona) but I love the dial of the blue YM.

Griever369 · 18 January 2015, 02:45 AM

Got it love it. Got told it looks like a Tag and was told why pay so much for something that looks like a cheaper watch. Made me love it even more cos, great only people who know something about watches would know what it is and plebs would just write it off as a Tag. Met a guy who has been wearing a datejust since he was a teenager and he said he had never seen it before, loved it and was fascinated by it. I think he has one now too. Love that it's understated yet will look good in casual or formal. So what if I don't have a yacht? I'm wearing it to whenever I go to the yacht club. 😜

SenseiSeagalMMA · 18 January 2015, 02:55 AM

FYI regarding price. My YG TT YM was $750 more than a TT Sub and about $1400 more than a TT DJ at Rolex AD

I don't own a Yacht but spend about a month sailing per year. I think I am qualified to wear one lol.

ZenEngr · 18 January 2015, 04:25 AM

Love my 116622, before that I think the more monochrome look is really an acquired taste. Add the price premium and it really shows as less popular.

Catyack · 18 January 2015, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Scholar

Not all of us like the rapper aesthetic.

You do understand that someone can engage in a hobby that costs a lot of money and still dislike blinginess, right? There's a reason the IWC Portuguese remains so popular among people who do yachting.

The YM series is divisive even among people who like nautical watches. I say this as just such a person.

You do understand that someone can like some blinginess and still know about watches, right? Your original assertion was that Rolex's target audience for the YM are those who know nothing about watches, yet so far all you've done is make your opinion known that you personally don't like bling. Liking or disliking looks is a purely subjective opinion based on superficialities, so still waiting for something substantial that would support your opinion with regards to others' supposed lack of knowledge. Something that amounts to more than a fallacy that goes something like; "Those people who don't happen to have the same taste in aesthetics as me are ignorant. I don't like the YM. Therefore, Rolex must have built YMs for people who don't know anything about watches".

slcbbrown · 18 January 2015, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

This plus a higher price probably means most people go for the Sub. I really love the blue dial but worry slightly about the size of the bezel for overall balance.

The way I remember the early YM's is that Rolex tried to price them as something between Sub/DJ/GMT and the Daytona/DD models. So, you sort of had the same movement, bracelet, case, etc. as a GMT but a higher price. I think it's a nice looking watch, but I never thought it was sharper looking than a Sub.

pilotct · 28 January 2015, 01:23 AM

This may be heresy, but has anyone ever considered putting a Sub bezel insert on a Yachtmaster?

Jari from Finland · 28 January 2015, 02:11 AM

Is it really so that 16622 is not popular on the whole or only at the Rolex forums? There are millions of people who wears Rolex watches but have never even heard that these watch forums exist.

AK797 · 28 January 2015, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotct

This may be heresy, but has anyone ever considered putting a Sub bezel insert on a Yachtmaster?

Not seen one here and doubt it will fit, most here are not fans of modding across models.

Catyack · 28 January 2015, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jari from Finland

Is it really so that 16622 is not popular on the whole or only at the Rolex forums? There are millions of people who wears Rolex watches but have never even heard that these watch forums exist.

Bingo. More than 99% of Rolex owners never show up on any Rolex internet forum to give opinions. This forum, like any other, is akin to a self-selecting survey of only those enthused or opinionated enough to take the time to participate, and therefore decidedly NOT something to trust as an objective or representative cross-section.

The YM is popular enough in the real world, and in the real world people either prefer something, or they prefer something else. What happens here on this forum, however, is a certain slice of this self-selected group are so gung-ho, Sub-centric that they take issue with and show distain for a watch that is a Sub spin-off, but isn't one, as if it can't be its own thing and marketed towards people who don't agree that garden-variety black Subs are the just the most beautiful and iconic thing ever made and should never be tampered with not even by Rolex. It's a bit of internet forum herd mentality, but there it is.

Furbo · 28 January 2015, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotct

This may be heresy, but has anyone ever considered putting a Sub bezel insert on a Yachtmaster?

Why? You can just buy a sub instead.

8 January 2015, 12:10 PM	#122
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9 January 2015, 02:14 PM	#128
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10 January 2015, 11:30 AM	#133
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18 January 2015, 02:45 AM	#141
Griever369 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the abstract Watch: 116713 Posts: 119	Got it love it. Got told it looks like a Tag and was told why pay so much for something that looks like a cheaper watch. Made me love it even more cos, great only people who know something about watches would know what it is and plebs would just write it off as a Tag. Met a guy who has been wearing a datejust since he was a teenager and he said he had never seen it before, loved it and was fascinated by it. I think he has one now too. Love that it's understated yet will look good in casual or formal. So what if I don't have a yacht? I'm wearing it to whenever I go to the yacht club. 😜 __________________ In order of purchase. Rolex Datejust 116231, Omega Deville GMT 4651.20.32, Rolex GMT 116713LN, Rolex GMT 16753, Rolex GMT 116710LN, Grand Seiko(LE) SBGM029, Rolex YM (Plat dial) 116622, Mont Blanc 107070, Rolex Milgauss 116400GV, Rolex Daytona(White dial) 116520, Black Shield (Red).

28 January 2015, 02:11 AM	#147
Jari from Finland "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 378	Is it really so that 16622 is not popular on the whole or only at the Rolex forums? There are millions of people who wears Rolex watches but have never even heard that these watch forums exist. __________________ "I am interested in watches, that's why I like them."

8 January 2015, 11:43 AM	#121
Boopie "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 3,780	I love my SS/platinum Yachtmaster. Its polished bracelet does attract scratches, but my watch turns 14 next month, and it still looks amazing after wearing it nearly every day. It is the only watch that I wear, and I get a kick looking at it. That being said I don't pretend that it is as popular as the Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, GMT, or Daytona. As to why? Perhaps it is because it is a fairly new watch that doesn't have a lineage. Whether or not every GMT owner is a pilot, it does have the extra hand feature that is helpful. The Yachtmaster is, essentially, a dressier Submariner without the certified depth rating or the wetsuit extension on the clasp. I like the bi-directional bezel, but it doesn't serve a stated purpose, such as the uni-directional bezel with audible clicks on the Submariner. Ads for used YM do suggest that the resale isn't as good as for the Subs. I saw print ads showing "Dr. Phil" wearing one, but they haven't seemed to catch on. I don't think the average, non-WIS knows what a Yachtmaster is (whereas the Submariner, DateJust/Presidents, and Daytonas are iconic). The fact that the watch isn't popular doesn't bother me, but it is interesting to see why it still isn't relatively well-known 15 years after its introduction.

9 January 2015, 12:10 PM	#125
yOyOYoo "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: CA Watch: 116519LN Posts: 614	Looking at all of these YM pics, anyone else think the YM would look great with a white face?

9 January 2015, 01:45 PM	#127
shay2nak "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Calipornia Watch: 116610LN & 311.006 Posts: 586	I don't like the bezel on the YM. Kind of pointless to have the YM when the Sub is available.

10 January 2015, 12:59 AM	#130
gocsan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Watch: Sub 116610LV Posts: 97	I actually really like the watch in terms of its looks, especially with the blue dial. I purchased the sub over the YM because I didn't like the idea that the platinum bezel is more prone to scratches than ceramic and platinum bezel would be a more costly replacement. Perhaps a lot of people think the same as me and that's why the watch doesn't hold its value? Dunno

10 January 2015, 08:19 AM	#131
CRVROLEX "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: NYC Posts: 1	Absolutely! I recently had my wife's mid size serviced and noticed something odd. The dial appears to be discolored. I am not sure if it is an unevenness of cleaning or what. Any advice? I will try to post a pic soon but I left it so that they can continue to work on it. The middle of the dial is lighter and the outer edges are darker.

10 January 2015, 09:28 AM	#132
James K "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: San Diego Posts: 694	I had a little bit of a mental barrier on buying the watch once it cracked that $10,000 mark. Just the tax alone was more than all the Movados in the showroom case. In the end though it still appealed to me enough to pull the trigger on the first trip to the AD. I also agree that the monochromatic nature of the band & bezel can stir some people away from it.

10 January 2015, 12:06 PM	#134
genauto "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: John Location: easton Watch: ALL OF THEM Posts: 171	I like it and its my list for 2015.

17 January 2015, 11:46 PM	#138
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	When I bought my new YM yesterday I was discussing this topic somewhat with a couple of friends of mine at my AD. Now, I have to be completely honest and say that the word 'unpopular' NEVER came up, but we did discuss. I think a lot first depends on location...what are people looking for in particular. Then look at what the most popular seller is (no doubt the stainless sub and or gmt). Sometimes for people's first watch. This is in NO WAY a bad thing. Then it's the price delta...the stainless and platinum YM is significantly more expensive than many other stainless models available to people. And truth is, many buyers look primarily at individual aesthetics compared to price when making a significant purchase like this. Now...regardless of similarities...the YM is NOT a submariner. I have (and will always) LOVED my subs but this one is a different animal. I am not saying it is better by any means...just different. When you see it in the case amongst all the other sport models I have to say though that it has a presence of its own and does stand out. For me when I was looking for a new addition - it caught my eye some time ago and stands out AND I don't see many in the wild. Hey..just my 2 cents but I think if you have never experienced one, or tried one on...do so...I bet you get a quick appreciation for it.

18 January 2015, 02:41 AM	#140
yld2rob "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Penna Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,656	Well the problem I have is the cost. IMO it is a beautiful watch but at that price point (retail) I can get a Daytona. Both of the watches I want to add to my collection. I understand putting a premium on top of a normal Sub c cost for the plat bezel but I think it is too much. I can understand another $1K or $1,500. So I am back in the debate of getting something totally different for my collection (the Daytona) but I love the dial of the blue YM.

18 January 2015, 02:55 AM	#142
SenseiSeagalMMA "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Yacht-Master Posts: 49	FYI regarding price. My YG TT YM was $750 more than a TT Sub and about $1400 more than a TT DJ at Rolex AD I don't own a Yacht but spend about a month sailing per year. I think I am qualified to wear one lol.

18 January 2015, 04:25 AM	#143
ZenEngr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Corwin Location: Atlanta, GA Watch: Rolex 16600 Posts: 30	Love my 116622, before that I think the more monochrome look is really an acquired taste. Add the price premium and it really shows as less popular.

28 January 2015, 01:23 AM	#146
pilotct "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2	This may be heresy, but has anyone ever considered putting a Sub bezel insert on a Yachtmaster?

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