Is my 116010LN real?

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by won01419

I will definitely remember the "buy the seller, not watch" next time.

Need to “buy the reviewer, not the watch”

[cht]

Originally Posted by MRCT

There are 3 issues that worry me about that appraisal letter...

OMG dying!!!


get gladiator and kyle on the case!

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Dartmouthbrian

2010 Grad school. Did you go there? If so, what year are you?


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Sick school bro!

[Kyle13]

Glad I was wrong! I’ll admit I was wrong, the laser engraved crown being so visible through me for a loop! Wear it in good health!


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[kauffee]

Originally Posted by MRCT

There are 3 issues that worry me about that appraisal letter...

3 posts and you're killing it.

[Mnicolini300]

If that’s fake I’ll stop buying real watches today 😂😂

[mkruger311]

It looks good to me...

[melrob1]

Originally Posted by Kyle13

Glad I was wrong! I’ll admit I was wrong, the laser engraved crown being so visible through me for a loop! Wear it in good health!


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Many of the new Subs have it very visible. I returned one because it bothered me being able to see it.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by melrob1

Many of the new Subs have it very visible. I returned one because it bothered me being able to see it.

Thats interesting, thanks the info.
I did note another poster posted a sub, and you could see the LEC very clearly from a side shot, but no face onto dial.
A

[ttnpb]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Sorry. I dont elaborate.
There are 3 issues that worry me.

Every time I stop by the "watch out" section, I quickly am reminded how much people DONT know, and how much misleading advice there is.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by MRCT

There are 3 issues that worry me about that appraisal letter...

That is some seriously funny stuff.....

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Sorry. I dont elaborate.
There are 3 issues that worry me.

Adam, would it be too much for you to elaborate given the outcome? I understand if you’d prefer not to.

[ckaynyc]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Adam, would it be too much for you to elaborate given the outcome? I understand if you’d prefer not to.

He hasn't since posting it, I don't see why you think he would now.

[erhein]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Adam, would it be too much for you to elaborate given the outcome? I understand if you’d prefer not to.

I'd be curious to know, as well, but also respect your right not to elaborate.
Frankly, I think Adam has taken a bit of undeserved heat on this thread. In the first place, trying to determine whether a Rolex (or any other watch) is real or fake based only on pictures posted online is a bit of a fool's errand to begin with. I mean that most respectfully. We know that even some ADs, examining a watch in their hands have been fooled by some fakes. I, for one, am grateful there are some in this forum who are willing to stick their necks out and offer an opinion even if they might be wrong. The thing to remember is that an opinion as to whether a watch is real or fake is just that, an opinion. If I remember correctly, Adam didn't even express that he thought the watch was fake, he only said there were three things that concerned him. In the final analysis, especially on a close call, always consult either RSC, or a trusted AD.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by erhein

I'd be curious to know, as well, but also respect your right not to elaborate.
Frankly, I think Adam has taken a bit of undeserved heat on this thread. In the first place, trying to determine whether a Rolex (or any other watch) is real or fake based only on pictures posted online is a bit of a fool's errand to begin with. I mean that most respectfully. We know that even some ADs, examining a watch in their hands have been fooled by some fakes. I, for one, am grateful there are some in this forum who are willing to stick their necks out and offer an opinion even if they might be wrong. The thing to remember is that an opinion as to whether a watch is real or fake is just that, an opinion. If I remember correctly, Adam didn't even express that he thought the watch was fake, he only said there were three things that concerned him. In the final analysis, especially on a close call, always consult either RSC, or a trusted AD.

Thanks your fair comments and to Andy's polite post. I was not going to respond, but "fair' posts deserve a response and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed about.
I have correctly helped more people here than most others.

Firstly, I did NOT shout or claim a "fake or watch was not genuine, I stated fairly that there were 3 things that concerned me. Lets here what other say"

Not unreasonable?
The three things that I was "concerned" about were:
1) LEC far to visible.
In 99% of watches I see and own, that points to counterfeit.

2) Coronet on REHAUT out at 12 o Clock.

3) "X" not exactly over the 1 o' Clock batton

Now ALL of these could be the photo angle, but in my good opinion, its enough to raise a "concern" and get it checked.

Next.
I have in my possession, Rolex's with less issues than those 3 I listed above, and pass additional important ROLEX tests - and they are FAKES!

The counterfeiters are mastering everything, LEC, REHAUT, there are functional 4130 Daytonas, GMTII with correct hand stack, random serial numbering, and even OMEGA co-axial with black balance wheel.

How do I know, because I own them "only" to demonstrate hands on in my classes
On ROLEX alone I teach over 250 pages with maybe 20+ vital test tips, then, online and hands on examples.
Even the experience participants say "these are unbelievable fakes"

So I am NOT ashamed, my goal here is to be alert, and help people NEVER own a fake.
If that means acting or advising caution - so be it.
Better to lose one genuine purchase than buy a fake!
If in doubt walk or get it checked by an AD!

Finally.
Authenticating watches on the internet, is similar to getting your hair cut on the internet - not possible"

I am not going to enter into discussions or fights on my thoughts or principles.
Only to conclude by saying
"I believe I helped a lot of people both here, on other forums and on eBay - I try my best"

Thanks to you and Andy - politeness is respected by me!

Adam R. Harris

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thanks your fair comments and to Andy's polite post. I was not going to respond, but "fair' posts deserve a response and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed about.
I have correctly helped more people her than most others.

Firstly, I did NOT shout or claim a "fake or watch was not genuine, I stated fairly that there were 3 things that concerned me. Lets here what other say"

Not unreasonable?
The three things that I was "concerned" about were:
1) LEC far to visible.
In 99% of watches I see and own, that points to counterfeit.

2) Coronet on REHAUT out at 12 o Clock.

3) "X" not exactly over the 1 o' Clock batton

Now ALL of these could be the photo angle, but in my good opinion, its enough to raise a "concern" and get it checked.

Next.
I have in my possession, Rolex's with less issues than those 3 I listed above, and pass additional important ROLEX tests - and they are FAKES!

The counterfeiters are mastering everything, LEC, REHAUT, there are functional 4130 Daytonas, GMTII with correct hand stack, random serial numbering, and even OMEGA co-axial with black balance wheel.

How do I know, because I own them "only" to demonstrate hands on in my classes
On ROLEX alone I teach over 250 pages with maybe 20+ vital test tips, then, online and hands on examples.
Even the experience participants say "these are unbelievable fakes"

So I am NOT ashamed, my goal here is to be alert, and help people NEVER own a fake.
If that means acting or advising caution - so be it.
Better to lose one genuine purchase than buy a fake!
If in doubt walk or get it checked by an AD!

Finally.
Authenticating watches on the internet, is similar to getting your hair cut on the internet - not possible"

I am not going to enter into discussions or fights on my thoughts or principles.
Only to conclude by saying
"I believe I helped a lot of people both here, on other forums and on eBay - I try my best"

Thanks to you and Andy - politeness is respected by me!

Adam R. Harris

Your contributions to the forum are valuable.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Your contributions to the forum are valuable.

Thank you - really appreciated
A

[yxc145]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thanks your fair comments and to Andy's polite post. I was not going to respond, but "fair' posts deserve a response and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed about.
I have correctly helped more people here than most others.

Firstly, I did NOT shout or claim a "fake or watch was not genuine, I stated fairly that there were 3 things that concerned me. Lets here what other say"

Not unreasonable?
The three things that I was "concerned" about were:
1) LEC far to visible.
In 99% of watches I see and own, that points to counterfeit.

2) Coronet on REHAUT out at 12 o Clock.

3) "X" not exactly over the 1 o' Clock batton

Now ALL of these could be the photo angle, but in my good opinion, its enough to raise a "concern" and get it checked.

Next.
I have in my possession, Rolex's with less issues than those 3 I listed above, and pass additional important ROLEX tests - and they are FAKES!

The counterfeiters are mastering everything, LEC, REHAUT, there are functional 4130 Daytonas, GMTII with correct hand stack, random serial numbering, and even OMEGA co-axial with black balance wheel.

How do I know, because I own them "only" to demonstrate hands on in my classes
On ROLEX alone I teach over 250 pages with maybe 20+ vital test tips, then, online and hands on examples.
Even the experience participants say "these are unbelievable fakes"

So I am NOT ashamed, my goal here is to be alert, and help people NEVER own a fake.
If that means acting or advising caution - so be it.
Better to lose one genuine purchase than buy a fake!
If in doubt walk or get it checked by an AD!

Finally.
Authenticating watches on the internet, is similar to getting your hair cut on the internet - not possible"

I am not going to enter into discussions or fights on my thoughts or principles.
Only to conclude by saying
"I believe I helped a lot of people both here, on other forums and on eBay - I try my best"

Thanks to you and Andy - politeness is respected by me!

Adam R. Harris

Hi Adam

I do appreciate your help on the forum. Your comments and responses are insightful. No one is 100%, but willingness to help is more important. I rather be cautious and wrong than losing money. Keep up the good work!

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by yxc145

Hi Adam

I do appreciate your help on the forum. Your comments and responses are insightful. No one is 100%, but willingness to help is more important. I rather be cautious and wrong than losing money. Keep up the good work!

Thanks, I and others really do our best.
A

[Kingface66]

Thanks for the honest and thorough explanation, Adam. Much appreciated.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Thanks for the honest and thorough explanation, Adam. Much appreciated.

Thanks for being polite.

[Yuri.Popov]

Looks real to me

[erhein]

One of these days we will read the following: "It's an obvious fake because there are no flaws."

[erhein]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thanks your fair comments and to Andy's polite post. I was not going to respond, but "fair' posts deserve a response and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed about.
I have correctly helped more people here than most others.

Firstly, I did NOT shout or claim a "fake or watch was not genuine, I stated fairly that there were 3 things that concerned me. Lets here what other say"

Not unreasonable?
The three things that I was "concerned" about were:
1) LEC far to visible.
In 99% of watches I see and own, that points to counterfeit.

2) Coronet on REHAUT out at 12 o Clock.

3) "X" not exactly over the 1 o' Clock batton

Now ALL of these could be the photo angle, but in my good opinion, its enough to raise a "concern" and get it checked.

Next.
I have in my possession, Rolex's with less issues than those 3 I listed above, and pass additional important ROLEX tests - and they are FAKES!

The counterfeiters are mastering everything, LEC, REHAUT, there are functional 4130 Daytonas, GMTII with correct hand stack, random serial numbering, and even OMEGA co-axial with black balance wheel.

How do I know, because I own them "only" to demonstrate hands on in my classes
On ROLEX alone I teach over 250 pages with maybe 20+ vital test tips, then, online and hands on examples.
Even the experience participants say "these are unbelievable fakes"

So I am NOT ashamed, my goal here is to be alert, and help people NEVER own a fake.
If that means acting or advising caution - so be it.
Better to lose one genuine purchase than buy a fake!
If in doubt walk or get it checked by an AD!

Finally.
Authenticating watches on the internet, is similar to getting your hair cut on the internet - not possible"

I am not going to enter into discussions or fights on my thoughts or principles.
Only to conclude by saying
"I believe I helped a lot of people both here, on other forums and on eBay - I try my best"

Thanks to you and Andy - politeness is respected by me!

Adam R. Harris

Thank you, Adam. The reason I was curious was just so I could compare to my own Sub. Much appreciated.

[jrs146]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thanks your fair comments and to Andy's polite post. I was not going to respond, but "fair' posts deserve a response and I have nothing to hide or be ashamed about.
I have correctly helped more people here than most others.

Firstly, I did NOT shout or claim a "fake or watch was not genuine, I stated fairly that there were 3 things that concerned me. Lets here what other say"

Not unreasonable?
The three things that I was "concerned" about were:
1) LEC far to visible.
In 99% of watches I see and own, that points to counterfeit.

2) Coronet on REHAUT out at 12 o Clock.

3) "X" not exactly over the 1 o' Clock batton

Now ALL of these could be the photo angle, but in my good opinion, its enough to raise a "concern" and get it checked.

Next.
I have in my possession, Rolex's with less issues than those 3 I listed above, and pass additional important ROLEX tests - and they are FAKES!

The counterfeiters are mastering everything, LEC, REHAUT, there are functional 4130 Daytonas, GMTII with correct hand stack, random serial numbering, and even OMEGA co-axial with black balance wheel.

How do I know, because I own them "only" to demonstrate hands on in my classes
On ROLEX alone I teach over 250 pages with maybe 20+ vital test tips, then, online and hands on examples.
Even the experience participants say "these are unbelievable fakes"

So I am NOT ashamed, my goal here is to be alert, and help people NEVER own a fake.
If that means acting or advising caution - so be it.
Better to lose one genuine purchase than buy a fake!
If in doubt walk or get it checked by an AD!

Finally.
Authenticating watches on the internet, is similar to getting your hair cut on the internet - not possible"

I am not going to enter into discussions or fights on my thoughts or principles.
Only to conclude by saying
"I believe I helped a lot of people both here, on other forums and on eBay - I try my best"

Thanks to you and Andy - politeness is respected by me!

Adam R. Harris

Adam,
Your contribution to this forum is invaluable. No one can ever blame someone for not wanting to elaborate on details when the OP has no history on this forum. It turns out the Op was legit but we all know that’s not always the case and no need to help the scammers out there!


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[kevinbb19]

Thanks for the update, Adam. You have my respect (for what that is worth) and many will benefit from your study of the non-genuine watches.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by erhein

One of these days we will read the following: "It's an obvious fake because there are no flaws."

Many a true word spoken in jest.
But really, I have a fake, sold by a reputable shop, buyer took it to an AD and fake.
Shop asked me to check it
LEC, perfect, rehaut perfect, crown test passed, litmus test passed!
Only by checking movement could anyone say fake!

Once again
Thanks

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by kevinbb19

Thanks for the update, Adam. You have my respect (for what that is worth) and many will benefit from your study of the non-genuine watches.

Thanks your "respect" means a lot. Thanks

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by jrs146

Adam,
Your contribution to this forum is invaluable. No one can ever blame someone for not wanting to elaborate on details when the OP has no history on this forum. It turns out the Op was legit but we all know that’s not always the case and no need to help the scammers out there!


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Thanks, I appreciate you posting
Once again
thanks

[PulsarSteff]

Adam,

Out of curiosity,

those super fakes you are talking about, how good are they at keeping time?
are they in COSC limits?
if visually they look almost identical. Can we still "assess" them by just checking their accuracy?