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kcjack · 15 August 2013, 01:43 AM

DDoes anyone have an opinion on Barker's?

dddrees · 16 August 2013, 03:00 AM

No personal experience, but here's one place you can start looking.

I don't know if it is true or not, but the comment one person made about compressed cardboard would make me want to check this out before buying however.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/337201/barker/0_100

dddrees · 16 August 2013, 08:13 AM

I just ordered a pair of shoes which in my opinion are the perfect trifecta:

EG
Midnight navy crup (cordovan)
Dainite sole

I hope to have them the first part of next week.

kcjack · 16 August 2013, 08:43 AM

dddrees-thanks for the Barker thread! That one and this thread are very informative but make me want to go after some bespokes!

dddrees · 16 August 2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kcjack

dddrees-thanks for the Barker thread! That one and this thread are very informative but make me want to go after some bespokes!

There's a big difference between Barker and a pair of bespokes.

I would stick with some middle to higher end RTW (Ready to Wear), then move on to some MTO (Made to Order), before graduating to some bespoke shoes.

Might want to try a pair of some Crockett and Jones or Alfred Sargent first. Then try a pair of Vass, Edward Green, or John Lobb next.

Don't forget to try some Saint Crispin's as well.

Billywiz · 16 August 2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kcjack

DDoes anyone have an opinion on Barker's?

Nothing very special . They are good but far from great and not high end...lower end than Church or Grenson for example.

Billywiz · 16 August 2013, 12:37 PM

Church are probably at the top end of mass produced shoes out of Northampton. Loake etc just a shade under these but nearly all made in Northampton and honestly the build quality not much different between any of them...Next step up for real 'Bench Made' shoes would be Trickers (royal family shoe supliers for generations) and Id suggest Oliver Sweeney.

dddrees · 17 August 2013, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dddrees

I just ordered a pair of shoes which in my opinion are the perfect trifecta:

EG
Midnight navy crup (cordovan)
Dainite sole

I hope to have them the first part of next week.

Here's a link to someone's pictures of the shoes I will be getting.

http://mansinkinginshanghai.tumblr.c...sandringham-in

dddrees · 20 August 2013, 02:09 AM

I had a bit of difficulty capturing the blue color, but here they are.

EG Sandringham Midnight Navy Shells.

kcjack · 23 August 2013, 10:19 AM

dddrees-thanks for the suggestions. I'll go slow. I'm not sure all the makers referred to in this thread are easily available here in my part of the States anyway, which is probably a good thing!

dddrees · 23 August 2013, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcjack

dddrees-thanks for the suggestions. I'll go slow. I'm not sure all the makers referred to in this thread are easily available here in my part of the States anyway, which is probably a good thing!

Hardly any are available where I live either. However by using the following resource I have been able to research and purchase almost my entire shoe collection via the internet. By establishing certain sizes with certain shoe manufactures and then using these sizes to transfer them to lasts for other shoe manufactures.

How far or what you decide to do is of course entirely up to you. But the following is certainly a good reference as to the type of things that are available. There are specific threads here for most of the English shoemakers as well as others to include Italian, Budapest, and Hungary.

http://www.styleforum.net/f/5/classic-menswear

Good hunting.

Puffy · 27 August 2013, 03:14 AM

fresh in... C&Js... I love this brand. The quality is unreal and the comfort factor 10/10. I can't fault their products. I even think the price is fair for what you get in terms of quality and product longevity.

Drummond

Hallam

Puffy · 27 August 2013, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kcjack

DDoes anyone have an opinion on Barker's?

never owned a pair but they resemble something a physics teacher would wear

psv · 27 August 2013, 05:17 AM

Now those C&J Drummond are winners in my book.

dddrees · 27 August 2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Puffy

fresh in... C&Js... I love this brand. The quality is unreal and the comfort factor 10/10. I can't fault their products. I even think the price is fair for what you get in terms of quality and product longevity.

Very nice Anders.

Have you ever tried anything from Alfred Sargent?

Puffy · 27 August 2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by psv

Now those C&J Drummond are winners in my book.

you should snap up a pair next time you're over. they are as good as any of my Lobb's

Puffy · 27 August 2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dddrees

Very nice Anders.

Have you ever tried anything from Alfred Sargent?

thanks dan

no never owned a pair of AS (i think) but i know you love them. i need to get myself to a london stockist..

dddrees · 28 August 2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Puffy

thanks dan

no never owned a pair of AS (i think) but i know you love them. i need to get myself to a london stockist..

Oh I love my Crocket and Jones as well.

It's just I also have found some Alfred Sargents that I love also.

Stuxnet · 30 August 2013, 12:49 AM

Any opinions on the JL Camborne (double monk) vs the JL Lopez (loafer)?

I can't decide. I don't wear loafers with a suit but may wear them when slightly dressed down (odd jacket, wool or khaki trousers depending on the season, usually a tie).

I own a pair of Church's Becketts (single monk strap) and love them. Ordered a pair of Hughleys (sp?) and they looked amazing but I have a high instep and even though the shoe fit I could not buckle the aft strap. I've been a very satisfied Church's customer for many years and was frustrated that the shoes didn't fit. I've tried on JL Double Monks and have not had this problem.

Do you think a pair of Double monk straps are interchangeable with a pair of loafers? Or should I go for the Double monks as I may be able to pair them with a suit?

Thank you for weighing in..

dddrees · 31 August 2013, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuxnet

Any opinions on the JL Camborne (double monk) vs the JL Lopez (loafer)?

I can't decide. I don't wear loafers with a suit but may wear them when slightly dressed down (odd jacket, wool or khaki trousers depending on the season, usually a tie).

I own a pair of Church's Becketts (single monk strap) and love them. Ordered a pair of Hughleys (sp?) and they looked amazing but I have a high instep and even though the shoe fit I could not buckle the aft strap. I've been a very satisfied Church's customer for many years and was frustrated that the shoes didn't fit. I've tried on JL Double Monks and have not had this problem.

Do you think a pair of Double monk straps are interchangeable with a pair of loafers? Or should I go for the Double monks as I may be able to pair them with a suit?

Thank you for weighing in..

I'm a big fan of JL's monks, but I wouldn't consider it your normal fair for wear with a suit. I typically wear mine with nice slacks and a dress shirt or jeans. However I'm sure some would have no problem wearing them with a suit.

Puffy · 31 August 2013, 09:21 PM

JL monks.... I only have the single..

As Dan points out, works best with chinos of some description. i find they do not work with jeans at all...

they are so comfortable they will make you cry...

mine..

dddrees · 1 September 2013, 10:44 AM

Double monks for twice the fun.

John Lobb shoes are so comfortable because the leather they use is the most supple you'll ever find.

daveathall · 1 September 2013, 08:04 PM

Trickers Country line with jeans.

Stuxnet · 2 September 2013, 08:22 AM

I rarely wear jeans. And if I do it's generally a very casual occasion. So, are the double monks more appropriate than the loafers when wearing grey wool trousers and a blazer or jacket?

dddrees · 2 September 2013, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuxnet

I rarely wear jeans. And if I do it's generally a very casual occasion. So, are the double monks more appropriate than the loafers when wearing grey wool trousers and a blazer or jacket?

I wouldn't say they are more appropriate, it's just another option.

dddrees · 2 September 2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

Trickers Country line with jeans.

Looking good Dave.

I have yet to try anything from Trickers, but I have given thought to one of their boots a couple of times. They certainly have some colorful options available.

SearChart · 2 September 2013, 10:47 PM

Dan, I've got a pair of brown leather wingtips with leather sole, I wear them 2-3 times a week, how often should I treat them with shoepolish?

dddrees · 3 September 2013, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Dan, I've got a pair of brown leather wingtips with leather sole, I wear them 2-3 times a week, how often should I treat them with shoepolish?

I only use as much as needed as less tends to be more here. I use more conditioner generally, than cream or wax.

However here's an awesome thread that goes into a good bit of detail as to what a number of others suggest.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/t...otos-etc/0_100

SearChart · 3 September 2013, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dddrees

I only use as much as needed as less tends to be more here. I use more conditioner generally, than cream or wax.

However here's an awesome thread that goes into a good bit of detail as to what a number of others suggest.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/t...otos-etc/0_100

Thanks

dddrees · 3 September 2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Thanks

No problem..

16 August 2013, 03:00 AM	#152
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,251	No personal experience, but here's one place you can start looking. I don't know if it is true or not, but the comment one person made about compressed cardboard would make me want to check this out before buying however. http://www.styleforum.net/t/337201/barker/0_100 __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

16 August 2013, 08:13 AM	#153
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,251	I just ordered a pair of shoes which in my opinion are the perfect trifecta: EG Midnight navy crup (cordovan) Dainite sole I hope to have them the first part of next week. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

27 August 2013, 03:14 AM	#162
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	nothing pleases me more than fine English shoes fresh in... C&Js... I love this brand. The quality is unreal and the comfort factor 10/10. I can't fault their products. I even think the price is fair for what you get in terms of quality and product longevity. Drummond Hallam __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

31 August 2013, 09:21 PM	#171
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	JL monks.... I only have the single.. As Dan points out, works best with chinos of some description. i find they do not work with jeans at all... they are so comfortable they will make you cry... mine.. __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

1 September 2013, 08:04 PM	#173
daveathall "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: England. Watch: Various Posts: 7,305	Trickers Country line with jeans. __________________ KINDEST REGARDS DAVE

15 August 2013, 01:43 AM	#151
kcjack "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Missouri Posts: 30	DDoes anyone have an opinion on Barker's?

16 August 2013, 08:43 AM	#154
kcjack "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Missouri Posts: 30	dddrees-thanks for the Barker thread! That one and this thread are very informative but make me want to go after some bespokes!

16 August 2013, 12:37 PM	#157
Billywiz Banned Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: John Location: Florida Watch: YG President Posts: 2,090	Church are probably at the top end of mass produced shoes out of Northampton. Loake etc just a shade under these but nearly all made in Northampton and honestly the build quality not much different between any of them...Next step up for real 'Bench Made' shoes would be Trickers (royal family shoe supliers for generations) and Id suggest Oliver Sweeney.

23 August 2013, 10:19 AM	#160
kcjack "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Missouri Posts: 30	dddrees-thanks for the suggestions. I'll go slow. I'm not sure all the makers referred to in this thread are easily available here in my part of the States anyway, which is probably a good thing!

27 August 2013, 05:17 AM	#164
psv "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North America Posts: 11,066	Now those C&J Drummond are winners in my book.

30 August 2013, 12:49 AM	#169
Stuxnet Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 570	Any opinions on the JL Camborne (double monk) vs the JL Lopez (loafer)? I can't decide. I don't wear loafers with a suit but may wear them when slightly dressed down (odd jacket, wool or khaki trousers depending on the season, usually a tie). I own a pair of Church's Becketts (single monk strap) and love them. Ordered a pair of Hughleys (sp?) and they looked amazing but I have a high instep and even though the shoe fit I could not buckle the aft strap. I've been a very satisfied Church's customer for many years and was frustrated that the shoes didn't fit. I've tried on JL Double Monks and have not had this problem. Do you think a pair of Double monk straps are interchangeable with a pair of loafers? Or should I go for the Double monks as I may be able to pair them with a suit? Thank you for weighing in..

2 September 2013, 08:22 AM	#174
Stuxnet Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 570	I rarely wear jeans. And if I do it's generally a very casual occasion. So, are the double monks more appropriate than the loafers when wearing grey wool trousers and a blazer or jacket?

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