A visual depiction of Covid....

[Blansky]

People have different viewpoints and opinions on Covid for various reasons, but it's pretty sobering to see visually what it's toll has been.

Much like the Vietnam Memorial and Ground Zero, seeing visual presentations of loss of human life can be overpowering.

Please no politics.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/c...&loggedin=true

[htc8p]

Wow…natural population control


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[1st amg]

Yikes.

[JParm]

Truly mind-boggling when you see it represented in that way.

[brandrea]

National Geographic has to be one of the most thought provoking and insightful magazines of all time.

[East Bay Rider]

What happens to all the flags afterward?

[AzPaul]

The thing is, at least in the US, there is no actual count of COVID caused deaths. The number the CDC keeps is a list of deaths in which a positive COVID test was present. This could include someone who had an absolutely clean bill of health prior to contracting COVID, or a stage 4 pancreatic cancer patient who didn't have it until after they checked into hospice. The CDC counts them all the same, with no regard to 'cause of death'. Theoretically, a person could die from trauma in a car accident, and during the autopsy, test positive for COVID. They would be counted too.

I bring this up, not to minimize the danger or damage caused by the virus, obviously it's been a blight on the world, but to remind people of the lazy job done by the media in their 'tally' reporting. The CDC says on their website that the numbers they put out only reflect deaths that included a positive covid test, nothing determinative, yet that's not the way it's reported on the body count toteboards the media outlets display.

[Tri-Tip]

Along the same lines as what AzPaul posted, many people who have conditions that would become fatal in the coming few months to years and contracted Covid, died sooner than the would have if they had not contracted Covid, so it is a bit of a grey area if Covid caused their death or caused it to happen sooner.

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Originally Posted by AzPaul

The thing is, at least in the US, there is no actual count of COVID caused deaths. The number the CDC keeps is a list of deaths in which a positive COVID test was present. This could include someone who had an absolutely clean bill of health prior to contracting COVID, or a stage 4 pancreatic cancer patient who didn't have it until after they checked into hospice. The CDC counts them all the same, with no regard to 'cause of death'. Theoretically, a person could die from trauma in a car accident, and during the autopsy, test positive for COVID. They would be counted too.

I bring this up, not to minimize the danger or damage caused by the virus, obviously it's been a blight on the world, but to remind people of the lazy job done by the media in their 'tally' reporting. The CDC says on their website that the numbers they put out only reflect deaths that included a positive covid test, nothing determinative, yet that's not the way it's reported on the body count toteboards the media outlets display.

I think this is a matter of semantics - the issue is entirely separate from the media, they are just presenting the info they have, and the data specificity you have described is much harder to assemble than it may seem.

It can also be argued that we only counted the cases where we have a positive test, and in fact we have no idea how many cases there are that have gone undetected either due to mild symptoms or other reasons, meaning total case count could be much higher than reported. Also, if someone has stage 4 cancer of some kind, contracting covid almost certainly ended their life prematurely. It would be incorrect to assume they checked into hospice and coincidentally had COVID, rather than checking in BECAUSE covid pushed them along their timeline faster than it should have been. Same deal with a car crash example - you cannot conclude that covid did or did not influence the crash, but certainly we know that hypoxia (which covid can cause) can influence cognitive functioning so who knows.

If someone gets pushed off a bridge did they die because of impact alone, or because someone pushed them? COVID is the pusher.

[TC94]

This is always a touchy subject for threads here. But as someone who has been diagnosing patients remotely since the beginning, and who sees these patients come back with complications again and again after “surviving” COVID, I believe the media and society also needs to be emphasizing that aspect.

There are many people who don’t become COVID death statistics but who have had myocarditis, secondary strokes, heart attacks, permanent lung damage, lost limbs, experience blood clots in lungs killing lung tissue (pulmonary embolus with infarct), and contracted multiple vague long-term difficult to pin down sets of symptoms that don’t show up when incidence and death rates are the focus.

I see a few dozen of these every 8 hour shift. This will become the biggest factor going forward. Even though we do hear about Long COVID, I don’t think enough people really understand that this term doesn’t include direct COVID complications I list above.

The impact is even greater than just the death totals, which are astounding on their own.