PO or Sub?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Dream99

You are totally wrong. Try taking the Sub down to 600mtrs as the PO can handle, not the mere 300 mtrs for the Sub, Oh and the PO has a Helium escape valve as well. The Omega is a TRUE Divers watch, Coupled with Omega 4 year warranty against Rolex 2 years and Servicing is at least and probably over 8 years for the PO, Rolex state 4 years i think. That's why I say the PO is a far better watch than the Sub. Try one on you will see what i mean.

Try taking yourself down to 600mtrs mate.
Or try your helium escape valve in a deco chamber.
I'm quite happy watching a movie tonight.

[Dream99]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Try taking yourself down to 600mtrs mate.
Or try your helium escape valve in a deco chamber.
I'm quite happy watching a movie tonight.

Hi MAte. That's the build quality of a true divers watch Mate. Omega does what it says on the tin, Rolex does not but hey as long as its a rolex thats ok Right.

[Presa canary]

Originally Posted by Dream99

You are totally wrong. Try taking the Sub down to 600mtrs as the PO can handle, not the mere 300 mtrs for the Sub, Oh and the PO has a Helium escape valve as well. The Omega is a TRUE Divers watch, Coupled with Omega 4 year warranty against Rolex 2 years and Servicing is at least and probably over 8 years for the PO, Rolex state 4 years i think. That's why I say the PO is a far better watch than the Sub. Try one on you will see what i mean.

I'm not to sure what I'm " totally wrong" about.... I simply answered the ops question. No, the po is not the new sub. That's a fact. I can see your love for the po/omega, and that's great man but don't claim I'm wrong, and then ramble on about the highlights of the po. There are plenty a wonderful
Watches out there, a lot will out shine the sub. But non of them will be the new sub... Oh, and I've tried on the po while deciding which of their cologne I liked, neither did anything for me. Be well

[Survivor]

I've owned both (well, its a DSSD, not a Sub) and a PO XL.......only kept one of them......guess which one???? Answer in my next post

[salty_snack]

Originally Posted by Dream99

And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

What is wrong with the 3135? Rugged... Accurate... What more can you realistically want from a movement? Sure it's not the most beautiful movement out there but without a display case back who the heck cares.

Other than the reasonably nice finishing on the 8500 it isn't much of an improvement over the 3135. The co-axial movement is 95% marketing 5% substance.

[mikkibarry]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

Uh.....really? A woman's use of an object decreases its "manlyness?" I don't know whether to feel insulted or just laugh...

[dbelle7]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

So are you saying women don't dive or don't need watches or that women in general just aren't that credible?

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

WTF? I don't use those letters often but what you've just stated is a huge affront to women. Where do you get off saying such a thing? There are several women on this forum and many of us enjoy wearing large sized watches. I'd advise you to reel in the attitude.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Lisa

WTF? I don't use those letters often but what you've just stated is a huge affront to women. Where do you get off saying such a thing? There are several women on this forum and many of us enjoy wearing large sized watches. I'd advise you to reel in the attitude.

x1000!

[Dream99]

Originally Posted by Lisa

WTF? I don't use those letters often but what you've just stated is a huge affront to women. Where do you get off saying such a thing? There are several women on this forum and many of us enjoy wearing large sized watches. I'd advise you to reel in the attitude.

You are missing my point because like all women you have to prove something where as men do not.
The sub has turned into a unisex watch where as the Omega PO has not because Omega make a smaller size for the smaller wrist of the female of the species
so thats my point ok

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

[FeelingTheBlues]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

The answer to the "PO or Sub" question is clear, the answer is YES!

Unique watches with great manufacturers and pedigrees, they aren't the same watch so it's totally acceptable to own both, as many here do...

I think you really nailed it Marc, both are great looking watches and I for one admire both brands for the high quality products they can offer. The only thing I have against the PO is its size, 42mm and 45.5mm are too big for my tastes so I would probably go with a Submariner (at least as a "first") but I did own a SMP a few years ago and enjoyed it a lot (though I don't think I could wear one again given my new interest for smaller watches).

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO.

That's a pretty out of line comment Alan, not only does it not prove anything but it's also sexist and inappropriate.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

Another smart woman chiming in here....my first thought is that you must be single. Second thought? You will probably stay single as long as you exhibit that kind of sexist attitude...

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Another smart woman chiming in here....my first thought is that you must be single. Second thought? You will probably stay single as long as you exhibit that kind of sexist attitude...

[cedargrove]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

Actually this was one of my reservations when buying the 45.5mm PO - the bravado from some who say you have to wear a large watch to be a man.

I didn't want to be perceived as that d-bag sporting a big watch, but fortunately I am secure enough that I buy what I like.

I am also secure enough to encourage my wife to wear my watches without worrying about 'street cred'.

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Dream99

I'm afraid that when women wear a watch its reduces its street cred as a mans watch. How many women wear the 45.5 mm PO. Case dismissed, PO all the way
And as for the movement comparison... Rolex need to up their game very soon I think. Just my 2 cents worth.

What kind of cretinous idiot are you anyway? And don't mess with me. I've got the power and you don't.

[Dream99]

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

What kind of cretinous idiot are you anyway? And don't mess with me. I've got the power and you don't.

Who are you calling names that's a sign you have no class and why you probably wear Rolex.

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Dream99

Who are you calling names that's a sign you have no class and why you probably wear Rolex.

He failed to heed my warning. So he's now off to dreamland permanently.

[FeelingTheBlues]

EDIT: My post is not necessary anymore since it seems like Ed solved our problem, thank you my friend.

[hpowders]

Rolex needs to up their game as to their movements? The Sub C has a terrific movement. After 4 1/2 months my Sub C loses an average of 1.4 seconds per day. The PO does any better?

[htc8p]

In terms of comfort (weight, caseback) Sub wins

in terms of everthing else Planet Ocean

[htc8p]

while it has not yet been proven. im willing to bet that the coaxial movement will turn out to be better than the 3135.

[salty_snack]

Originally Posted by htc8p

while it has not yet been proven. im willing to bet that the coaxial movement will turn out to be better than the 3135.

Better based on what???

Suffice to say both are great movements and will outlast the original owner with a little bit of maintenance along the way. I do find it amusing, however, how so many people have professed the co-axial to be the best thing ever... but don't know why except omega says so.

[htc8p]

Originally Posted by salty_snack

Better based on what???

Suffice to say both are great movements and will outlast the original owner with a little bit of maintenance along the way. I do find it amusing, however, how so many people have professed the co-axial to be the best thing ever... but don't know why except omega says so.

i am not going into a senseless debate with you. the silicone hair spring, the build, the looks, and the coaxial innovation are worth it.

[salty_snack]

Originally Posted by htc8p

i am not going into a senseless debate with you. the silicone hair spring, the build, the looks, and the coaxial innovation are worth it.

Lol. There isn't a debate to be had here because I don't think you have the knowledge to actually debate the issue.

Parachrom bleu vs silicon hairspring - nearly identical under normal use.

The build??? - nearly identical in the build, both are mass produced. In my experience the sub does have a slightly better fit.

The looks??? - these are tool watches and the 3135 isn't visible without removal of the case back so it's a non-issue.

The coaxial innovation - minimal improvement at best.

Basically what it comes down to is the 8500 and 3135 will perform nearly IDENTICALLY under nearly all conditions. So is the 8500 BETTER? In 99%+ of the users out there the answer is no, you could switch one with the other and no one would notice.

And the coaxial isn't the be all end all of innovative escapements. There actually are a number of new and old escapement designs out there that are much more interesting and innovative than the coaxial.

[The GMT Master]

Originally Posted by salty_snack

Lol. There isn't a debate to be had here because I don't think you have the knowledge to actually debate the issue.

Parachrom bleu vs silicon hairspring - nearly identical under normal use.

The build??? - nearly identical in the build, both are mass produced. In my experience the sub does have a slightly better fit.

The looks??? - these are tool watches and the 3135 isn't visible without removal of the case back so it's a non-issue.

The coaxial innovation - minimal improvement at best.

Basically what it comes down to is the 8500 and 3135 will perform nearly IDENTICALLY under nearly all conditions. So is the 8500 BETTER? In 99%+ of the users out there the answer is no, you could switch one with the other and no one would notice.

And the coaxial isn't the be all end all of innovative escapements. There actually are a number of new and old escapement designs out there that are much more interesting and innovative than the coaxial.

Well, the silicon hairspring is more resistant to shocks and always retains it shape, so it achieves better isochronism. As for Co-Axial, the second generation three level version is ridiculously stable as a timekeeper, and simply does not go wrong. I've been in the biz since the cal. 8500 was launched (2007) and I have never had one returned under warranty. I lost count a long time ago the number of cal. 3135s I've had returned under warranty. It really is that good. The cal. 3135 is a dinosaur by comparison

[DennisJ]

This is exactly the reaction I was after, a lively for/against discussion.
Did go through the previous threads but didn't find much of this. Seems some gentle provocation did the trick.

Thanks for a good discussion.

I will follow some of the posters advise and get me both watches...

[vitalsignsrn]

You may be disappointed to find WOMEN wearing a PO...it does come in a 37.5mm for US women.

Sub is more iconic. Po is less expensive.

[Dream99]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

You may be disappointed to find WOMEN wearing a PO...it does come in a 37.5mm for US women.

Sub is more iconic. Po is less expensive.

Exactly my point Omega cater for women by making this size watch for them

[JB7]

Originally Posted by DennisJ

Dear I say...

PO any day. What a fantastic watch. In fact the PO is the new Sub!
How about that?

That's the one with QoS etched on crystal isn't it, so not the standard. Not sure I'm mad on that PPK dial?

Originally Posted by SearChart

resale value isn't as good as the sub and it's not as iconic.

Maybe not as iconic, but that's not always a bad thing, It just means it's not as common, but my 5 year old PO is worth more now than what I paid for it new, if I were to sell, so I would get back more than I paid for it, so that isn't true at all.

Originally Posted by hpowders

Rolex needs to up their game as to their movements? The Sub C has a terrific movement. After 4 1/2 months my Sub C loses an average of 1.4 seconds per day. The PO does any better?

not better, but my PO is +1 a day on a 2500C movement and I'm sure it's the same for many other owners of the PO. Wasn't like that when new though, was more of a +3, but in time they do improve with age, as long as you keep wearing them.

Having said all that in favour of the PO, I love the new Sub, but the squareness jutting out at the lugs is the only thing that puts me off