1675 vs 16750 GMT

[Cheutc]

Hi guys,

Was wondering apart from the quick set function on the 16750s what is the difference in terms of aesthetic and collectibility between the 1675 and the 16750? How much would I expect to pay for one for a bog standard good condition piece?

cheers

[springer]

Originally Posted by Cheutc

Hi guys,

Was wondering apart from the quick set function on the 16750s what is the difference in terms of aesthetic and collectibility between the 1675 and the 16750? How much would I expect to pay for one for a bog standard good condition piece?

cheers

Besides what you mentioned, the most relevant visual difference for me would probably be the bracelets. By the time the GMT 1750 was introduced during late 1979, the Jubilee 62510 now came with "D" shaped links vs the earlier USA oval link or Swiss folded link bracelets. Same holds for the Oyster 78360 bracelet which had solid bracelet links vs the previous generation of folded or rivet head links.

Both models had matte dials, red and blue "Pepsi" bezel inserts or black inserts available later during the 1970s.

As far as value goes, nice examples are in the mid-teens or higher - in U.S. dollars. Based on my experience, collectors gravitate toward both models fairly equally.

[onthedial]

@Cheutc
A few other aesthetic differences between the 1675 and the 16750 are the hand stack positions. Also, around 1985-86 the second generation 16750’s are installed with glossy dials and WG surrounds.
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[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by springer

Besides what you mentioned, the most relevant visual difference for me would probably be the bracelets. By the time the GMT 1750 was introduced during late 1979, the Jubilee 62510 now came with "D" shaped links vs the earlier USA oval link or Swiss folded link bracelets. Same holds for the Oyster 78360 bracelet which had solid bracelet links vs the previous generation of folded or rivet head links.

Both models had matte dials, red and blue "Pepsi" bezel inserts or black inserts available later during the 1970s.

As far as value goes, nice examples are in the mid-teens or higher - in U.S. dollars. Based on my experience, collectors gravitate toward both models fairly equally.

This is very interesting. Given the "younger" 16750, it is amazing that the "older" 1675 did not command higher premium. Could this be because there are fewer matte 16750 given the relatively short run than 1675?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

This is very interesting. Given the "younger" 16750, it is amazing that the "older" 1675 did not command higher premium. Could this be because there are fewer matte 16750 given the relatively short run than 1675?

Older 1675s with gilt-gloss dials certainly command a significant premium.

[Toronto Soup King]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

it is amazing that the "older" 1675 did not command higher premium.

As a 1675 owner I can confirm the non-quickset is a giant PITA if you have the watch in a rotation. I stopped wearing mine, cranking that thing is much more onerous than my 1601, which I now only wear when the calendar says go. Should've bought a 16750!

[TuRo]

Here in UK 1675 matte v 16750 matte - The 1675 about 10-15% higher. Gloss 16750 (post 8.5 million SRL) about 20% cheaper than a matte 16750. As said, gilt 1675 from £20k to sky high if Underline/exclamation/double swiss or pink/red writing etc etc

[ADINVA]

Quick dataset does make life easier. Gloss 16750 is cheaper here in HK too. Gilt is beyond reach.

[hutch300]

Matte 16750 is a sweet spot... if you at all desire the jubilee buy one that has one. Oysters are easy to source but the proper jubilee takes some patience. As mentioned, the movements are different and the 16750 runs at a higher beat (better accuracy). Both are fantastic watches.

[ADINVA]

Hi Everyone, trust you all are enjoying the weekend.

For 16750:
1) Is it possible for a 1984 (8.18mil) to have a blue-backed insert with round "8" period correct?
2) Is the dial of 16750 either MK V or MK VI only?
3) When was the glossy dial 16750 introduced? 1985?

Thanks.

[springer]

Hello Advina, my reply would be:

For 16750:
1) Is it possible for a 1984 (8.18mil) to have a blue-backed insert with round "8" period correct?

Yes

2) Is the dial of 16750 either MK V or MK VI only?

I'm not familiar with those Marks.

3) When was the glossy dial 16750 introduced? 1985?

I've seen them as early as 1982.

Thanks.
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[ADINVA]

Many thanks JP. As always, your answers are highly valued by all of us.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Many thanks JP. As always, your answers are highly valued by all of us.

FWIW, the 16750 matte dials only had 2 versions....Mark I and Mark II (and from memory the order is flipped around) - that might be what Springer is alluding to, implicitly, i.e., not sure what V and VI are.

here's a good link:
https://www.gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=93

[hutch300]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

FWIW, the 16750 matte dials only had 2 versions....Mark I and Mark II (and from memory the order is flipped around) - that might be what Springer is alluding to, implicitly, i.e., not sure what V and VI are.

here's a good link:
https://www.gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=93

This is my understanding - I have a Mark II :)

[springer]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

FWIW, the 16750 matte dials only had 2 versions....Mark I and Mark II (and from memory the order is flipped around) - that might be what Springer is alluding to, implicitly, i.e., not sure what V and VI are.

here's a good link:
https://www.gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=93

Thanks. I am familiar with the Mark I and II 16750 matte dials. As far as the glossy versions go, I didn't realize there were four versions of glossy dials. I wonder who came up with those glossy variations. Again, nothing that I am familiar with expect for a couple variations for the glossy dials. These other variations must come from collectors outside the USA.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Hi Everyone, trust you all are enjoying the weekend.

For 16750:
1) Is it possible for a 1984 (8.18mil) to have a blue-backed insert with round "8" period correct?
2) Is the dial of 16750 either MK V or MK VI only?
3) When was the glossy dial 16750 introduced? 1985?

Thanks.

Vis dials :

Are you referring to Orchi thread below :

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=77719

[ADINVA]

Hi All,

My bad. My references of MK V and MK VI were from www.gmtmaster1675.com.

Thanks for sharing. As always, I enjoy learning from learning experience.

[springer]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Hi All,

My bad. My references of MK V and MK VI were from www.gmtmaster1675.com.

Thanks for sharing. As always, I enjoy learning from learning experience.

I didn't see anything there categorizing the GMT glossy 16750 dials.

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by springer

I didn't see anything there categorizing the GMT glossy 16750 dials.

Don't think they did.

[Hurricane]

My dad bought this 16750 in 1981. He wore it every day and now I wear it and think of him.

[TuRo]

Lovely sir, - that's what it's all about....a watch, motorcycle, car, guitar, bit of hi-fi, boat, bike etc..passed on to the next batton-bearers is what brings the memories back :-)

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

My dad bought this 16750 in 1981. He wore it every day and now I wear it and think of him.

A real honor to perpetuate your father's memory, unfortunately I do know the feeling.

Great watch!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

My dad bought this 16750 in 1981. He wore it every day and now I wear it and think of him.

You wear it well

[Hurricane]

Thanks all! Some day one of my boys will inherit this watch...

[dlack]

Here's an all-original 1981 (6.6M serial) GMT 16750, matte dial (looks glossy in the pic but that's the light reflecting off the crystal), matching patinaed lume plots and hand inserts, original (not service) red-backed bezel with signs of wear, and original Jubilee bracelet (clasp code F3) matching 1981 production year of watch. Rolex-serviced movement keeping consistent COSC time for a 42 year old GMT...

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by dlack

Here's an all-original 1981 (6.6M serial) GMT 16750, matte dial (looks glossy in the pic but that's the light reflecting off the crystal), matching patinaed lume plots and hand inserts, original (not service) red-backed bezel with signs of wear, and original Jubilee bracelet (clasp code F3) matching 1981 production year of watch. Rolex-serviced movement keeping consistent COSC time for a 42 year old GMT...

Great watch! Is this the 50-end 62510H Jubilee? Any signs of stretch? I have seen a lot of badly stretched jubilee.

[dlack]

Originally Posted by ADINVA

Great watch! Is this the 50-end 62510H Jubilee? Any signs of stretch? I have seen a lot of badly stretched jubilee.

It's indeed the 62510H with lots of stretch. Was at first considering sending it to Rolliworks or Michael Young for tightening; however, it's so incredibly comfortable and looks so nice on the wrist as is (stretch is minimally noticeable when wearing it) that I actually question the need to send it off and probably won't at this point. I also prefer to keep it in its virgin state, just like the watch itself, for value purposes.

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by dlack

It's indeed the 62510H with lots of stretch. Was at first considering sending it to Rolliworks or Michael Young for tightening; however, it's so incredibly comfortable and looks so nice on the wrist as is (stretch is minimally noticeable when wearing it) that I actually question the need to send it off and probably won't at this point. I also prefer to keep it in its virgin state, just like the watch itself, for value purposes.

I love the Jubilee band. If it is well-maintained, the blink blink makes it pop! Enjoy this great watch!

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by dlack

It's indeed the 62510H with lots of stretch. Was at first considering sending it to Rolliworks or Michael Young for tightening; however, it's so incredibly comfortable and looks so nice on the wrist as is (stretch is minimally noticeable when wearing it) that I actually question the need to send it off and probably won't at this point. I also prefer to keep it in its virgin state, just like the watch itself, for value purposes.

I like a Jubillee with a bit of stretch too.

They are a lot more comfortable as you say.

I made the mistake of sending one away to be refurbed a few years ago, and it came back stiff as a board, uncomfortable, too tight (as equiv of 2 folded links less) and the links butted up to each other too closely and it was way too shiny for rest of watch!

Nothing wrong with a stretched Jubillee, just check the pins on the links (especially close to the E/Ls) are not badly twisted/exposed/cut through.

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by TuRo

I like a Jubillee with a bit of stretch too.

They are a lot more comfortable as you say.

I made the mistake of sending one away to be refurbed a few years ago, and it came back stiff as a board, uncomfortable, too tight (as equiv of 2 folded links less) and the links butted up to each other too closely and it was way too shiny for rest of watch!

Nothing wrong with a stretched Jubillee, just check the pins on the links (especially close to the E/Ls) are not badly twisted/exposed/cut through.

Great advice! As always, learn something new again, esp from real life experience. Greatly appreciate it.