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conkers · 26 September 2023, 10:18 AM

I purchased this brand new from a AD for my better half in 2013 and it is due a service. Ahead of that I was getting it resized for my wrist and it turns out that this model with a factory blue dial may be quite rare. Is anyone able to confirm?

Some help would be much appreciated please!

Rollei35 · 26 September 2023, 10:51 AM

bought it 2013, so I assume it's 116622? I thought 2013 already has 116622, not sure why it's still 5 digits.

Either way I don't think it's rare. I bought one from AD recently, exactly same aesthetics but 126622.
I am no experts, I am just guessing.

conkers · 26 September 2023, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollei35

bought it 2013, so I assume it's 116622? I thought 2013 already has 116622, not sure why it's still 5 digits.

Either way I don't think it's rare. I bought one from AD recently, exactly same aesthetics but 126622.
I am no experts, I am just guessing.

Thank you. No it is definitely a 16622. Have the papers and original invoice in front of me. Obviously far more common dial colour on the newer reference.

Appreciate you responding.

fskywalker · 26 September 2023, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Thank you. No it is definitely a 16622. Have the papers and original invoice in front of me. Obviously far more common dial colour on the newer reference.

Appreciate you responding.

There are no 16622 YM’s with blue dial, only the silver dial was available. The blue dial from the 116622 fits the 16622 (did it on my gone 16622 below), so if your watch is a 16622 someone installed the blue dial (and hands) from the 6 generation 116622 on it

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conkers · 26 September 2023, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fskywalker

There are no 16622 YM’s with blue dial, only the silver dial was available. The blue dial from the 116622 fits the 16622 (did it on my gone 16622 below), so if your watch is a 16622 someone installed the blue dial (and hands) from the 6 generation 116622 on it

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Thank you but I bought it directly from an AD and it has all the correct papers. It seems highly unlikely an AD (one of the most established in Hong Kong) would swap a dial. What am I missing? Is it possible this is some sort of rare “transitional” model?

fskywalker · 26 September 2023, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Thank you but I bought it directly from an AD and it has all the correct papers. It seems highly unlikely an AD (one of the most established in Hong Kong) would swap a dial. What am I missing? Is it possible this is some sort of rare “transitional” model?

Doubt it. Up to a few years back was not uncommon for AD’s to switch dials upon request by buyers or to make a certain model more attractive. The only way you could confirm if indeed was made by Rolex like that is contacting RSC as they should be able to know what dial it had when was shipped to the AD.

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Rollei35 · 26 September 2023, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Thank you but I bought it directly from an AD and it has all the correct papers. It seems highly unlikely an AD (one of the most established in Hong Kong) would swap a dial. What am I missing? Is it possible this is some sort of rare “transitional” model?

Not saying this was what happened. But I heard stories that in old days AD could/would swap dials/hands as requested by clients but later on the clients backed out the deal, and the AD still sold it to next client as new.

conkers · 26 September 2023, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fskywalker

Doubt it. Up to a few years back was not uncommon for AD’s to switch dials upon request by buyers or to make a certain model more attractive. The only way you could confirm if indeed was made by Rolex like that is contacting RSC as they should be able to know what dial it had when was shipped to the AD.

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Ok thank you. I will contact the service centre.

rmagoo57 · 26 September 2023, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Thank you but I bought it directly from an AD and it has all the correct papers. It seems highly unlikely an AD (one of the most established in Hong Kong) would swap a dial. What am I missing? Is it possible this is some sort of rare “transitional” model?

We are missing pictures of the "papers" and serial number on the case. Let's go!!!

KatGirl · 26 September 2023, 12:51 PM

Do let us know what you find out. You know how it goes . Now we all need to solve your mystery.

Kat
P. S. I do think the blue dial is the nicest in the lineup.

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conkers · 26 September 2023, 01:24 PM

Thank you. I just tried to upload photos of the papers but for some reason TRF is not accepting my uploads at the moment. I will try again from home later.

The code reference on the invoice is 16622.78760. Serial number G365782

conkers · 26 September 2023, 08:48 PM

Trying again.

jay_kay · 26 September 2023, 08:57 PM

A 16622 would only have come with a platinum dial. The blue dial must have been swapped by somebody along the way.

conkers · 26 September 2023, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jay_kay

A 16622 would only have come with a platinum dial. The blue dial must have been swapped by somebody along the way.

Thanks.

As mentioned before if that is the case, it was before it was delivered new to me by the AD. So the only question is whether it left the factory in this state (possible but that would make it extremely rare it would seem) or the AD organised a swap before it got to me (perhaps as a special customer request which was then cancelled).

PenDelicate · 26 September 2023, 09:43 PM

Really interested to hear how this turns out.

Thanks for posting!

rcwatchcollector · 26 September 2023, 11:06 PM

Oh wow. How did you get client 888 on the card. That’s awesome. Is that your client number with the AD?

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conkers · 26 September 2023, 11:10 PM

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Oh wow. How did you get client 888 on the card. That’s awesome. Is that your client number with the AD?

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Good spot - I am speculating but I think it was a dummy client number used at the time for walk-ins, I had no status or anything with them.

KatGirl · 27 September 2023, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Thank you. I just tried to upload photos of the papers but for some reason TRF is not accepting my uploads at the moment. I will try again from home later.

The code reference on the invoice is 16622.78760. Serial number G365782

Not a good idea to post your serial number!

Kat

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WatchTimes · 27 September 2023, 01:01 AM

Client # is not you
Client is the importer
888 is Hong Kong

RoRoRo · 27 September 2023, 02:17 AM

Can you show a pic of the clasp? Will determine if true 5 digit or 6 digit

Duey · 27 September 2023, 02:51 AM

I know you want it to be rare but it's not ......

The dial was swapped out. That's it nothing more

Ferdelious · 27 September 2023, 06:22 AM

Curious to see how this one turns out. Maybe a mistake at the factory?

conkers · 27 September 2023, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KatGirl

Not a good idea to post your serial number!

Kat

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Thanks. A bit late now.

conkers · 27 September 2023, 08:55 AM

Ok so it left the factory as a standard 16622 and the dial was swapped out by the local distributor. Mystery solved. Thank you for all the input and suggestions.

conkers · 27 September 2023, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchTimes

Client # is not you
Client is the importer
888 is Hong Kong

Thank you for clarifying. I am not an expert on these things.

conkers · 27 September 2023, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Duey

I know you want it to be rare but it's not ......

The dial was swapped out. That's it nothing more

Can’t blame me for asking though! You were right!!

faz · 27 September 2023, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Ok so it left the factory as a standard 16622 and the dial was swapped out by the local distributor. Mystery solved. Thank you for all the input and suggestions.

Yes,
in 2012 the six digit 116622 with blue dial just came out, and it would be very possible that at the time of this sale (2013) the AD had some examples of 16622 also in stock. A customer could have asked for 116622 but preferred the old platinum dial and a swap was made.

https://www.rolexmagazine.com/2012/0...r.html#/page/1

You have a special (and very beautiful blue sunray dial) yacht master. Enjoy! :)

conkers · 27 September 2023, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by faz

Yes,
in 2012 the six digit 116622 with blue dial just came out, and it would be very possible that at the time of this sale (2013) the AD had some examples of 16622 also in stock. A customer could have asked for 116622 but preferred the old platinum dial and a swap was made.

https://www.rolexmagazine.com/2012/0...r.html#/page/1

You have a special (and very beautiful blue sunray dial) yacht master. Enjoy! :)

Thank you and thank you for the link. You make a great point about the transition/overlap. I enjoyed getting to the bottom of the mystery!

alphadweller · 29 September 2023, 04:01 AM

If you decide to take it for a service to the RSC one day, they might want to put it back to factory, i.e. swap the dial back to the original pt dial, which costs 3 grand.

conkers · 1 October 2023, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alphadweller

If you decide to take it for a service to the RSC one day, they might want to put it back to factory, i.e. swap the dial back to the original pt dial, which costs 3 grand.

Since the dial swap was authorised and done by Rolex HK, I'd be hugely surprised if that happened!

26 September 2023, 10:51 AM	#2
Rollei35 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2023 Location: NYC Posts: 283	bought it 2013, so I assume it's 116622? I thought 2013 already has 116622, not sure why it's still 5 digits. Either way I don't think it's rare. I bought one from AD recently, exactly same aesthetics but 126622. I am no experts, I am just guessing. __________________ Rolex:126234 \| 124060 \| 126622 Glashütte Original PanoMaticLunar

26 September 2023, 12:51 PM	#10
KatGirl 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Kat Location: Northern Ca, USA Watch: 126233 Wimbledon T Posts: 5,581	Any experts - 16622 Yachtmaster with Blue Dial Do let us know what you find out. You know how it goes . Now we all need to solve your mystery. Kat P. S. I do think the blue dial is the nicest in the lineup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

26 September 2023, 01:24 PM	#11
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,006	Thank you. I just tried to upload photos of the papers but for some reason TRF is not accepting my uploads at the moment. I will try again from home later. The code reference on the invoice is 16622.78760. Serial number G365782 __________________ IG: @conkers1971 Revolution Video Feature: https://www.revolution.watch/collect...f-conkers1971/

26 September 2023, 08:57 PM	#13
jay_kay "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Barrowford Watch: Tudor Black Bay 54 Posts: 1,699	A 16622 would only have come with a platinum dial. The blue dial must have been swapped by somebody along the way. __________________ Rolex Explorer 214270, Omega Speedmaster '1957 Relaunch' 3594.50.00, Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM00127-E, Panerai Radiomir 1936 PAM00249-I, Panerai Mare Nostrum PAM00716-T, Panerai PAM00785-Q Set, Panerai Luminor Black Seal PAM00594-Q, Panerai Luminor Daylight PAM00604-Q, Tudor Black Bay 54 79000N, Heuer Carrera Re-Edition CS3113, Hamilton Military W10 & TAG Heuer F1

27 September 2023, 01:01 AM	#19
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,471	Client # is not you Client is the importer 888 is Hong Kong __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

26 September 2023, 09:43 PM	#15
PenDelicate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Stockholm Watch: P-serial 116518 Posts: 1,127	Really interested to hear how this turns out. Thanks for posting!

26 September 2023, 11:06 PM	#16
rcwatchcollector Banned Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: New York Posts: 384	Oh wow. How did you get client 888 on the card. That’s awesome. Is that your client number with the AD? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 September 2023, 02:17 AM	#20
RoRoRo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: U.K. Watch: YM40 Posts: 793	Can you show a pic of the clasp? Will determine if true 5 digit or 6 digit

27 September 2023, 02:51 AM	#21
Duey 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Duey Location: Maui Watch: Too Many To List Posts: 3,578	I know you want it to be rare but it's not ...... The dial was swapped out. That's it nothing more

27 September 2023, 06:22 AM	#22
Ferdelious 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Matt Location: Tampa, FL Watch: Hulk/SD4K/SeaQ/P39 Posts: 3,181	Curious to see how this one turns out. Maybe a mistake at the factory? __________________ Why is it, "A penny for your thoughts," but, "you have to put your two cents in?" Somebody's making a penny.

27 September 2023, 08:55 AM	#24
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,006	Ok so it left the factory as a standard 16622 and the dial was swapped out by the local distributor. Mystery solved. Thank you for all the input and suggestions. __________________ IG: @conkers1971 Revolution Video Feature: https://www.revolution.watch/collect...f-conkers1971/

29 September 2023, 04:01 AM	#29
alphadweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: Vic Location: Spain Watch: SD43 Posts: 5,942	If you decide to take it for a service to the RSC one day, they might want to put it back to factory, i.e. swap the dial back to the original pt dial, which costs 3 grand.

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