Can I offer the AD’s salesperson a cash “Tip” on the side for helping me get my watch

[2000-NJDEVILS]

The fool and their money are soon departed…..

[Rebel]

[4 Aussies]

Do you want it now or wait years? Time vs Money, it's your choice, how you play your hand is your business.

[TomCarter]

I have a few friends that have tried this and it did not work as you have described. If you want to play the game spend the 5 on a different brand of watch or jewelry for wife and ask for a sub. When you get the call and go pick up your sub you could take your shot at bribing your SA at that time. Even if they accept your still not just going to magically get a Panda Daytona, as others have already stated on here you need multiple approvals to get allocated a steel Daytona and the only thing that matters is how much $$$ you’ve burned recent at that particular ad. If all goes well and SA isn’t offended you will begin to get calls on more pieces (not Steele Daytona until you’ve spent 100k+) Panda even more. If you really want the watch buy it from a grey dealer. I’ve done the math, you’ll lose a lot more trying to play this game.

[Easy E]

A 5G tip for watch that goes for 20 over list? That’s good entertainment. Much like this thread.

[Surge_23]

Why just the tip, give her the whole thing

[Zach69SS]

Wow, ??? Nothing is worth that? Type of problem Not even 10 Pandas 🐼. Go grey or wait you might get lucky without the tip?

[Scottyboy]

Introducing the new Rolex BribeMaster, it's an off catalogue piece presented in pure Copium. It has all the complications, including a 24 hour bezel for those wanting to time how long it takes their SA to start drooling (in three time zones) as soon as they see the brown envelope.

Unlike other Rolex models, there is no waitlist for this model, it is on offer to the customer who offers the biggest brown envelope. To purchase this watch, bring your large envelope and leave it with your SA, we will notify the lucky BribeMaster within 5 years of dropping in the envelope. T's & C's apply...

T's & C's. AD to keep all brown envelopes.

[brandrea]

I certainly hope the cops don’t want to get involved in “bribery” cases involving Rolex watch purchases … I think they have better things to do

[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I certainly hope the cops don’t want to get involved in “bribery” cases involving Rolex watch purchases … I think they have better things to do

It may be technically illegal, but no one is going to jail. There was a relevant case in 2020 with Ferrari where an exec took $2.8m from buyers to get moved up the line. The exec ended up going to jail for tax evasion (not bribery) and no buyer was ever charged. To my knowledge, no buyer in US has ever been charged for bribery in a situation involving a retail consumer buying a retail product (not real estate).

https://www.businessinsider.com/form...parlato-2020-9

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by HHIslander

It may be technically illegal, but no one is going to jail. There was a relevant case in 2020 with Ferrari where an exec took $2.8m from buyers to get moved up the line. The exec ended up going to jail for tax evasion (not bribery) and no buyer was ever charged. To my knowledge, no buyer in US has ever been charged for bribery in a situation involving a retail consumer buying a retail product (not real estate).

https://www.businessinsider.com/form...parlato-2020-9

Interest article thank for sharing.

I was half joking / being sarcastic I think it’s funny to think of the lengths people will go to, to buy a wrist watch


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Interest article thank for sharing.

I was half joking / being sarcastic I think it’s funny to think of the lengths people will go to, to buy a wrist watch


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Have to agree Brian would rather dig my eyes out with a stick than offer anyone 5k extra just hopefully to buy a mass produced watch.

[JonnyOld Boy]

There is no "bribe" taking place here. What would be happening is "a request for an extra service, chargeable". The buyer is breaking zero laws and is not trying to "bribe" anyone. However, the SA may indeed be breaking criminal law depending on the contract of employment and any regional/country transparency laws if accepted. If the buyer asks if there is a chargeable service for speeding up the watch purchase and is informed there is not, then any further request would indeed cross into waters that could be deemed criminal. There is no law against asking to pay more for something to get it quicker, but there are laws against corrupt transactions.

[GrailTime]

Originally Posted by Desibaba

what if I offered the sales lady a cash “Tip” of $5k on the side for “Expediting” this process for me. I have no problem with discretely making this offer to her. And that $5k is of course negotiable depending on her needs.

I am looking to purchase a new panda from an AD. I have zero Rolex AD purchase history and refuse to buy products I don’t want or need just to make myself eligible for a Panda.

I very much doubt that would be accepted by the sales assistant.

If word got out, the AD may lose their contract with Rolex.

Plus, my understanding is that watches like the Daytona have to be signed off by store management and even Rolex. How would they justify giving you one with no spend history?

[rufio0811]

If you're going to blow $5k, just buy a Tudor/Brietling/Omega/Nomos from this AD and flip it. Worst case scenario you get some of that money back, best case you profit, you add to your purchase history and you help that associate out with commission.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by GrailTime

I very much doubt that would be accepted by the sales assistant.

If word got out, the AD may lose their contract with Rolex.

Plus, my understanding is that watches like the Daytona have to be signed off by store management and even Rolex. How would they justify giving you one with no spend history?

I thought Rolex’s official stance is that all customers are equal and there should be no spend history requirement. In fact, they frown on that practice. As for them being involved in allocations, probably not for a Daytona, but perhaps for very limited production models, like the puzzle dial DD.

Kat


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[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I thought Rolex’s official stance is that all customers are equal and there should be no spend history requirement. In fact, they frown on that practice. As for them being involved in allocations, probably not for a Daytona, but perhaps for very limited production models, like the puzzle dial DD.

Kat


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Maybe they say this, but no high end business operates in this way. Nor should it. Loyal customers typically get consideration over people that walk in off the street. If I was a longtime customer of some business, I’d certainly want it.

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I thought Rolex’s official stance is that all customers are equal and there should be no spend history requirement. In fact, they frown on that practice. As for them being involved in allocations, probably not for a Daytona, but perhaps for very limited production models, like the puzzle dial DD.

Kat


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Rolex just manufacture the watches. They leave it up to the ADs how to allocate, and don’t (and can’t) get involved in that.
No matter what romantic visions Rolex may have, all customers are not equal when it comes to watch allocation.

[JonnyOld Boy]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I thought Rolex’s official stance is that all customers are equal and there should be no spend history requirement. In fact, they frown on that practice. As for them being involved in allocations, probably not for a Daytona, but perhaps for very limited production models, like the puzzle dial DD.

Kat


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Sooooo Wrong. All customers are NOT equal. If you are rich , you get what you ask for , simple as.

[881]

You’d be better bribing the manager or owner, best of luck

[dannyboy123]

BwaaHaaaHaaaaa

[Rolexatlast]

Oh, no. Not this topic again.

I think that last time we generally agreed that paying money to a sales assistant (not the business itself) to get a watch sooner, was a bribe.

To recap. Different countries have different laws on what value the payment would need to be to be considered a bribe.

Different cultures / countries have different opinions on the morality of paying bribes.

In the UK, paying £5k to a SA would be a bribe, and would be illegal. It is also an offence for a UK-connected person to bribe anywhere in the world. The crime of bribery is described in Section 1 as occurring when a person offers, gives or promises to give a "financial or other advantage" to another individual in exchange for "improperly" performing a "relevant function or activity". Section 2 covers the offence of being bribed, which is defined as requesting, accepting or agreeing to accept such an advantage, in exchange for improperly performing such a function or activity.

Penalties are a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment, along with an unlimited fine, and the potential for the confiscation of property.

Whether or not someone would be prosecuted by the police, or privately prosecuted by their employer, is a matter of opinion. But the possibility exists.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Rolexatlast

Oh, no. Not this topic again.

I think that last time we generally agreed that paying money to a sales assistant (not the business itself) to get a watch sooner, was a bribe.

To recap. Different countries have different laws on what value the payment would need to be to be considered a bribe.

Different cultures / countries have different opinions on the morality of paying bribes.

In the UK, paying £5k to a SA would be a bribe, and would be illegal. It is also an offence for a UK-connected person to bribe anywhere in the world. The crime of bribery is described in Section 1 as occurring when a person offers, gives or promises to give a "financial or other advantage" to another individual in exchange for "improperly" performing a "relevant function or activity". Section 2 covers the offence of being bribed, which is defined as requesting, accepting or agreeing to accept such an advantage, in exchange for improperly performing such a function or activity.

Penalties are a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment, along with an unlimited fine, and the potential for the confiscation of property.

Whether or not someone would be prosecuted by the police, or privately prosecuted by their employer, is a matter of opinion. But the possibility exists.

There is zero chance that anyone would go to jail for paying money to a SA to get a watch. Zero.


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[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Rolexatlast

Oh, no. Not this topic again.

I think that last time we generally agreed that paying money to a sales assistant (not the business itself) to get a watch sooner, was a bribe.

To recap. Different countries have different laws on what value the payment would need to be to be considered a bribe.

Different cultures / countries have different opinions on the morality of paying bribes.

In the UK, paying £5k to a SA would be a bribe, and would be illegal. It is also an offence for a UK-connected person to bribe anywhere in the world. The crime of bribery is described in Section 1 as occurring when a person offers, gives or promises to give a "financial or other advantage" to another individual in exchange for "improperly" performing a "relevant function or activity". Section 2 covers the offence of being bribed, which is defined as requesting, accepting or agreeing to accept such an advantage, in exchange for improperly performing such a function or activity.

Penalties are a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment, along with an unlimited fine, and the potential for the confiscation of property.

Whether or not someone would be prosecuted by the police, or privately prosecuted by their employer, is a matter of opinion. But the possibility exists.

So slipping a maire d a $20 to get a good table at a restaurant is against your laws?

[4 Aussies]

Originally Posted by zengineer

So slipping a maire d a $20 to get a good table at a restaurant is against your laws?

Bingo!! His laws, not yours or mine!!

[Rolexatlast]

Originally Posted by 4 Aussies

Bingo!! His laws, not yours or mine!!

Technically, yes, it’s against our UK law as there is no de minimis, although it would never be prosecuted. But it would allow restaurants to dismiss their staff for illegal activities.

I cannot comment on your laws. Every country has its own tolerance and acceptance of bribery.

There was a lot of debate when the UK law was introduced, as bribery is expected in many countries, and there was a fear this would lead to UK companies being unable to compete for foreign contracts.

[Gwai]

Originally Posted by Rolexatlast

There was a lot of debate when the UK law was introduced, as bribery is expected in many countries, and there was a fear this would lead to UK companies being unable to compete for foreign contracts.

The result: UK citizens are out of the game for getting good tables at restaurants all over the world.Thanks a bunch, lawmakers!

Cheers
Marc

[vatey]

May be $100-$200 to the security guard if he did not unlock the door for you, you could not tip SA and you would not get the watch.

[thenewrick]

Nothing wrong with asking the SA if they would accept a gift. If they told you they'd get you a watch faster and their supervisor found out they'd probably get fired. Nothing illegal going on of course. I tip people who aren't supposed to be tipped from time to time but I never expect anything in return.

I wonder if people would just prefer to pay ADM prices for new Rolex or if they'd be even more angry than the current situation. Because the ADM on new models would be a lot higher than CPO. Instead of waiting on a list for a $10k Submariner you can buy it anytime new from the AD for $21k, CPO for $18k, or $17k used from a Grey dealer. Would that make people happy?

[Metro]

Why wouldn’t you buy gray if you wanted to expedite?