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5 July 2023, 01:40 AM | #61 |
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The last Pcar I had was a '96 993 C2 and I never had any interest in anything after the air cooled era. I've been to the factory and museum a few times since they started making the 997s and it's always a cool pilgrimage. But anything newer than the last 993, which Jerry Seinfeld bought, just doesn't grab me.
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Yeah. Apparently the newer ones are better in terms of defects. But I had a few quirks. Reviews are incredible. But resale still sucks. I sold mine two weeks ago. It was a fluke. Some dude fell in love with it. Offered me way more than it was worth. And I still lost a bundle compared to what I paid. But I have two other cars en route. So I decided to take the opportunity. I don’t miss it yet. But I’m confident I will. I really love the continental lineup. I bet in convertible I’d have liked it even more.
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Around where I live all these cars are as common as blue skies. If you're buying to impress, I doubt it'll work and if you're buying for performance, you'll probably never get it over 50 MPH.
I guess just buy what you enjoy driving and forget the other stuff.
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I guess this really isn’t on point. But I COMPLETELY don’t get the allure of a Bentley, especially for “car people.” We spend half the year in Naples, where they are everywhere. And I really have never spent the time to read about them, so I’m not burdened with a lot of knowledge. But I know anecdotally that they depreciate like few other vehicles, seem to have many maintenance issues, and are heavy as hell. How can a vehicle like that be “fun?” I’m sure they’d be great to be chauffeured around in, especially in a city. But why do people who enjoy driving lust after them?
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I completely understand the appeal of an Aston Martin, or even some Jags. I can see some of the mid to upper level execs you employ enjoying them!
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After Ian went through Naples/Ft Myers last September many cars were lost or destroyed (including mine). A man I know has a son that sells at a high end dealership that includes Bentley. The son sold 8 Bentleys (to replace Bentleys destroyed) on the first Saturday after Ian. |
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Have had the GT and GTC. Yes, sometimes a drop top is exactly what the doctor ordered. Just remember, you also added another $17k of bits and parts that move and use a motor and fabric exposed to the elements, etc... as Bentley does it.
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Aston Martin are the thinking mans sports car, Porsche are purely the "I know nothing bitcoinb*tch mobile".
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Corvette guys have their thing, as do the whole Ford Truck versus Chevy/GMC. My fave group of 'car guys' to hang out with are the vintage racers AND their mechanics. The mechanics are really awesome!
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I think whether a Porsche seems special may depend on how you define it. ...rarity, performance, looks, quality, some combination of those?
I grew up around Porsches. My parents had a 944, 928s, 911 Carrera 3.2 and a 930 Turbo. Back then even the most basic 911s felt hand made, special, drove like nothing else, had better build quality than anything from Italy or England, and you could daily drive them...although the AC was worthless in the summer. It was also a much rarer sight to see Porsches on the road (unless you were in FL, CA, maybe NY). I might see 2 or 3 a week on average, and maybe a few more on a week that I went to a big city. Back then I might see 2 Lambos a year, maybe 6-10 Ferraris a year, maybe 3-4 Lotus Esprits, and maybe 1 Aston every few years. These days, I see cars from most of these brands through out the week and I see several Porsches every day. Production numbers from all brands are substantially higher than they used to be. So unless you buy a limited edition of some sort, nothing is really that exclusive. I'm a big fan of 911s (although I wish they were a little smaller), Boxsters and Caymans as I think they are probably the best built, most useable sports cars on the market. As for Aston Martin, nice looking, but the driving experience and build quality, are a far cry from Porsche. Aston may be more exotic, and turn more heads, but the driving experience was a disappointment compared to Porsches I've driven or owned. Although, I'm not a big fan of PDK, its so much smarter much better than the automatics in Astons. The Aston constantly hesitated trying to figure out which gear it should be in...it just reinforced for me that even if Porsches aren't as exclusive as Aston...its just an all around better car. |
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I find the 718 is the spiritual successor to the 911. The 911 died about 10-15 years ago. It’s fast but also a bloated GT car more than a nimble snug sports car that wants to kill you.
And a Macan is a Porsche. So whether one feels the ‘specialness’ is still in the 911 and ‘Edition’ models, we’re talking about brand here. Not just 911. The 911 made and was the face of Porsche when it was Porsche. Ask anyone who knows these cars and not just owns one and you’ll know. |
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Do you have any Porsches currently? Which have you owned in the last 20 years?
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So you’re a car and driver editor then?
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In regard to it not being a nimble sports car…A lot of top tier drivers actually say the 911 is boring because it just too good. The car actually makes the driver better. Which is why I like it so much. I’m a terrible driver. If you’ve ever actually driven one, there is no way you could make that statement. Especially in comparison to air cooled turbos. Which are nicknamed the widow maker for a reason. You had to be an exceptional driver to keep it under control. Regarding the brand, yeah I agree. It has lost it status. Hard to disagree with your very pointed statement. But…I have to ask…if you have such a well thought out and very specific point of view, why the question in the first place? You clearly know the answer. Oh wait. I forgot who I was taking to.
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Does anyone know a good lawyer?
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I truly look forward to one day glimpsing what it’s like to have real money. I just heard of a Chicago billionaire who crashed his hyper car at the track. Sadly he died. His family was watching. He’s apparently a big track guy. It was a family event and he went into the wall. I’m hearing this second hand, so some of my details might be wrong. I think he was Chicago based. Really sad story. But he was in his 70’s and surely lived a wonderful life.
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Chewy is on a roll today, but to his point, my 2001 Honda Odyssey had more horsepower than a Corvette from 10 years prior.
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I’ve owned a few Porches and I just felt like a German taxi driver.
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Is that what they call a “humble brag?”
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