Hesalite vs. Sapphire

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by ww2gunguy

Well I sold the hesalite and bought the sapphire …soooo happy I did…while the heslite was nice, and may be closer to Apollo’s original….the sapphire feels more like a 6-7k watch and in my opinion better value for what your buying….very happy with it!

I realize this is very late in reply … but congratulations

[Nodzex]

Bought Haselite, couldn’t get over “Milky Ring”!
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

[shaunylw]

Just bought a hesalite, really didn’t consider going the saltire route. Hesalite for me is classic omega. I love the sapphire sandwich and seeing the movement but hesalite is the winner for me. I also like the brushed center links vs the small bit of polished. Not a big deal but i enjoy that it’s brushed.


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[ap1]

Hesi for the win

[Daryl]

hesalite for me

[njlam]

I am struggling with the same issue.

Originally, I thought I would prefer the sapphire as I like the applied logo, exhibition back, and the durability of the sapphire.

However, when I saw them together side-by-side, the hesalite definitely looks better.

Why can't they make a hesalite with the applied logo and exhibition back?

Or a sapphire with a more domed crystal (like my Panerai 233)?

I can't think of too many circumstances where I will have a hesalite side-by-side with a sapphire, so I am leaning towards the sapphire.

While I know both are great, neither is exactly what I want in a Speedmaster.

Frustrating. Unlikely an Ed White becomes available while I am deciding...

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by njlam

I am struggling with the same issue.

Originally, I thought I would prefer the sapphire as I like the applied logo, exhibition back, and the durability of the sapphire.

However, when I saw them together side-by-side, the hesalite definitely looks better.

Why can't they make a hesalite with the applied logo and exhibition back?

Or a sapphire with a more domed crystal (like my Panerai 233)?

I can't think of too many circumstances where I will have a hesalite side-by-side with a sapphire, so I am leaning towards the sapphire.

While I know both are great, neither is exactly what I want in a Speedmaster.

Frustrating. Unlikely an Ed White becomes available while I am deciding...

You can buy an aftermarket caseback from Spiralwinder for the hesalite if you really want an exhibition caseback.

[Krash]

Sapphire for me. Nothing wrong with the way it looks. I have the previous generation, and never lose any sleep over not having the latest.



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[Cougar1968]

Either one is the right choice.

[watchmaniac]

Hesalite for me. I had the previous model with hesi and now the latest version speedy with hesi.


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[SvenNikolai]

My brother owns the 1861 sapphires, which I also really liked. When I bought my 3861 last year, my choice was still the Hesalit. What was significant for me was not the proximity to the original at all, but rather the direct visual comparison between the two. The Hesalit variant actually looked nicer to me. It also looks a bit larger, purely subjective. Further plus points were the completely brushed steel strap and the steel base with the special "Hippocampus" symbol. What I should also mention is that my wife immediately pointed to the Hesalit variant. So the matter was clear to me.

One more thing about the alleged sensitivity regarding the Hesalite, because I was concerned with this point before I bought it. After wearing it for more than half a year, it hasn't got a small scratch, it's absolutely sturdy!

[Gebbeth]

I do not like Hesalite. It's another word for plastic, and I never thought plastic on a watch that costs thousands of dollar swould have even been acceptable (geez, people harp on Seiko for putting mineral glass on hundred dollar watches....cmon....seems like a double standard).

Yes, there is some nostalgic aura to Hesalite as that was the original iteration of the design that NASA approved for use. It doesn't shatter like sapphire could...point taken.

But absent that one small requirement, there is really no advantage of Hesalite, and lots of disadvantages for a luxury sports watch. Everything people seem to harp on about Hesalite being "warmer" and stuff like that is just nostalgia talking. These were actual limitations on clear plastic at the time that were essentially fixed when sapphire was made more readily available for use in watches.

I wonder how many of the people who "like" Hesalite for its warmth and nostalgic feel equally "hate" fauxtina.

I mean people clamor for Ed White's because it's faithful to the design that Ed White wore on his space walk. But even THAT has a sapphire crystal and case back to boot (and really quite necessary to show off that beautiful movement).

I just don't get Hesalite. But that's just me.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

I do not like Hesalite. It's another word for plastic, and I never thought plastic on a watch that costs thousands of dollar swould have even been acceptable (geez, people harp on Seiko for putting mineral glass on hundred dollar watches....cmon....seems like a double standard).

Yes, there is some nostalgic aura to Hesalite as that was the original iteration of the design that NASA approved for use. It doesn't shatter like sapphire could...point taken.

But absent that one small requirement, there is really no advantage of Hesalite, and lots of disadvantages for a luxury sports watch. Everything people seem to harp on about Hesalite being "warmer" and stuff like that is just nostalgia talking. These were actual limitations on clear plastic at the time that were essentially fixed when sapphire was made more readily available for use in watches.

I wonder how many of the people who "like" Hesalite for its warmth and nostalgic feel equally "hate" fauxtina.

I mean people clamor for Ed White's because it's faithful to the design that Ed White wore on his space walk. But even THAT has a sapphire crystal and case back to boot (and really quite necessary to show off that beautiful movement).

I just don't get Hesalite. But that's just me.

Main argument for Hesalite vs sapphire on the Speedy is the milky ring effect. My brother has an 1861 Hesalite while I have a FOIS with sapphire and there's a noticeable visual difference with the milky ring.

On the EW 321, Omega reshaped the sapphire to reduce/eliminate this effect.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Main argument for Hesalite vs sapphire on the Speedy is the milky ring effect. My brother has an 1861 Hesalite while I have a FOIS with sapphire and there's a noticeable visual difference with the milky ring.

On the EW 321, Omega reshaped the sapphire to reduce/eliminate this effect.

That milky ring is a problem for me and for my money it devalues the watch.
So i'm more than happy to pay less for the cheap piece of plastic.
After all, the Saphire doesn't add anything except weight and expence.
My cheap plastic one hasn't got a mark on it over a number of years of regular casual wear and no Polywatch needed.
If it falls on the ground it will potentially land with less force because it's lighter and it won't potentially shatter like Saphire thus forcing a replacement and potentially an unnecessary service. In theory it could trundle along happily with a cracked piece of cheap plastic with some care around water until the next service as long as it doesn't display some degree of fogging.
It also provides a nice clear view of the dial to read the time at a wider angle of perspective than the milky ringed Saphire.
That piece of cheap plastic is much more practical in the day to day of life and with regard to the overall ownership experience with some Polywatch or cheap replacement as required

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Dirt

That milky ring is a problem for me and for my money it devalues the watch.
So i'm more than happy to pay less for the cheap piece of plastic.
After all, the Saphire doesn't add anything except weight and expence.
My cheap plastic one hasn't got a mark on it over a number of years of regular casual wear and no Polywatch needed.
If it falls on the ground it will potentially land with less force because it's lighter and it won't potentially shatter like Saphire thus forcing a replacement and potentially an unnecessary service. In theory it could trundle along happily with a cracked piece of cheap plastic with some care around water until the next service as long as it doesn't display some degree of fogging.
It also provides a nice clear view of the dial to read the time at a wider angle of perspective than the milky ringed Saphire.
That piece of cheap plastic is much more practical in the day to day of life and with regard to the overall ownership experience with some Polywatch or cheap replacement as required

The sapphire crystal does not add expence.

[usmc_k9_vet]

Originally Posted by Dirt

After all, the Saphire doesn't add anything except weight and expence.

If it falls on the ground it will potentially land with less force because it's lighter and it won't potentially shatter like Saphire thus forcing a replacement and potentially an unnecessary service.

It also provides a nice clear view of the dial to read the time at a wider angle of perspective than the milky ringed Saphire.

That piece of cheap plastic is much more practical in the day to day of life and with regard to the overall ownership experience with some Polywatch or cheap replacement as required

Deleted parts of the quote that I’m not addressing.

Is this a joke? The sapphire adds weight? I’ve got to laugh at that. There’s no way anyone could possibly perceive a weight difference between sapphire and hesalite, nor does the extremely minor difference in weight matter if the watch is dropped (or for any other reason). The watch would potentially land with less force? These are some seriously strange assumptions and address an absolutely fringe and likely never-experienced-by-anyone hypothetical scenario.

It adds a wider angle of perspective? Again, so fringe that it is beyond any real world scenario that would ever matter in any meaningful way.

To each their own, but this is the strangest reasoning to go for the hesalite that I’ve ever encountered.


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[AEC]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

I do not like Hesalite. It's another word for plastic, and I never thought plastic on a watch that costs thousands of dollar swould have even been acceptable (geez, people harp on Seiko for putting mineral glass on hundred dollar watches....cmon....seems like a double standard).

Yes, there is some nostalgic aura to Hesalite as that was the original iteration of the design that NASA approved for use. It doesn't shatter like sapphire could...point taken.

But absent that one small requirement, there is really no advantage of Hesalite, and lots of disadvantages for a luxury sports watch. Everything people seem to harp on about Hesalite being "warmer" and stuff like that is just nostalgia talking. These were actual limitations on clear plastic at the time that were essentially fixed when sapphire was made more readily available for use in watches.

I wonder how many of the people who "like" Hesalite for its warmth and nostalgic feel equally "hate" fauxtina.

I mean people clamor for Ed White's because it's faithful to the design that Ed White wore on his space walk. But even THAT has a sapphire crystal and case back to boot (and really quite necessary to show off that beautiful movement).

I just don't get Hesalite. But that's just me.

I really enjoy my Speedmaster Pro with its plastic crystal, and for no other reason than I like the way it looks.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

I wonder how many of the people who "like" Hesalite for its warmth and nostalgic feel equally "hate" fauxtina.

I'll stick my hand up as a fully paid up card carrying member of the club

Don't hold back.
Tell us what you really think based on your bias and value judgements.

Like they say.
Everybody seems to know the cost of everything, but they don't understand the value of anything.

[Sandpit]

Love my 1861 hesalite and zero regrets. The shape of the sapphire crystal was really off putting to me. And yes there is a warmth to hesalite.

I’m also a sucker for nostalgia and wanted the “real” moonwatch (or atleast a version that was still approved for space travel or whatever). Don’t ask me why, but this is watches for you.

In the 3 years I’ve had it I’ve used polywatch twice. The first time was after a heavy night out 2 months after buying it and bumping into a door frame.

[Paul G.]

I own a several Rolex, a Panerai, and a Lange. I bought the hesalite a few weeks ago. Can't take it off my wrist. I like the provenance of the hesalite. The display back is cool- but realistically - I am looking at the face of the watch 99% of the time.

FWIW - the bracelet, at least for me, is as comfortable as any watch I own. I am using the mini extension and it is incredibly comfortable (I have a relatively small wrist).

[2thdock]

I liked the polished bracelet of the sapphire model. Also the exhibition back. I did compare the two side by side at the boutique. I did not buy one yet though.

[njlam]

I finally pulled the trigger and got a sapphire.

I struggled with this decision and when compared side by side, the hesalite does look nicer. However the hesalite does not have an exhibition back, nor a applied logo, and these factors did contribute to my decision. Also, when looked at in isolation, the sapphire looks great.

It is worth noting, I dismiss the argument that the hesalite is closer to the original watch that went to the moon as both versions share few similarities with the original. This is more and observation than a critisism as major technological improvements have been made in the watch world since the 1960s. These include the movements, the lume, overall size and also the crystal. The only thing the hesalite version has that remotely resembles the original is the antiquated crystal that is hard to maintain. Sort of like buying a modern Porsche, with seats that are manually adjustable (or just an AM/FM radio); you can do it but why?

Also, in my research, I did see the benefits of the Ed White 321 model and would have bought one if it was easier to get. That model does have a movement that went to the moon, is the original size, has a period similar bracelet, but it has a sapphire crystal, and the applied logo.

In some ways, the Ed White is the perfect Moonswatch. I wish it was gettable.

At the end of the day, the sapphire 3861 is more closely aligned with the 321 Ed White than the hesalite 3861 and that is the reason I bought it.


PS: one criticism of the 3861 has been the taper of the bracelet. I agree with this one, and the only thing I wish was different would be if there was less taper in the bracelet.

I am happy with it, but could have easily gone the other way.

[kearez]

Interesting comment on the taper of the bracelet. I’m a big fan of the taper myself. A great selling point of the speedmaster is the ability to swap out straps to find the one of you love.

[Mk2rick]

hesalite for me, gives it that all important vintage vibe!

[njlam]

On Instagram, I just saw a post of Neil Armstrong's Speedmaster....it had an applied logo!

Also hesalite crystal.

[BayAreaTech]

Sapphire. No regrets. In my opinion it is not a debate of a version of super plastic vs. sapphire which is the gold standard for all high end watches. Though I also enjoy the Co-Axial movement w/METAS certification, and am not a purist. YMMV.

FWIW - Nobody has ever walked up to me and talked about the 'Milky Ring" effect, which IMHO is way overblown. The watch is stunning.

[njlam]

Okay, I have owned the sapphire sandwich for two weeks and the honeymoon continues.

However, while the bracelet is comfortable, I do not like the look of the taper and wish the bracelet looked more like the ones on the older models (wider center links, less polishing).

Is possible to get an older version of the bracelet that will fit the 3861 sapphire? I have also seen the offerings from Forstner and would consider those if OEM is not available.

[Cassian739]

Recently sold my 1861 Hesalite, buying a 3861 Sapphire Sandwich. The micro scratches on the Hesalite were starting to drive me INSANE! I don't want to have to polywatch the watch face every so often from normal daily wear, just over it. Plus, I want to see the new 3861 movement. And the milky ring around the watch face is almost nonexistent on the 3861 Sapphire watch face.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Cassian739

And the milky ring around the watch face is almost nonexistent on the 3861 Sapphire watch face.

Agreed
Also the milky ring is virtually a nonexistent issue with the White dialed references.
The movement is definately pleasing to the eye if one likes to see those things, but there are more visually pleasing movements out there which are much more worthy of a see through case back though

[Old Expat Beast]

Hesalite.