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28 August 2019, 09:23 AM | #61 |
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I've considered, I'm considering some of their pieces. People buy, rank, brands for different reasons.
I'm sure many people are able to name many brands, indies, that are far superior to any of these three. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk |
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28 August 2019, 01:04 PM | #63 |
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Why is VC in the holy trinity?
Wow, people need to separate the historical “holy trinity” of watchmaking from a current “popularity trinity” or “value retention” trinity?
The Holy Trinity of Swiss watchmaking is a historical designation to three Swiss watchmakers that have been around a long time (VC the longest) and have made very complicated and hand finished watches showing their advanced abilities. This isn’t to say that other companies don’t make great watches, just not for as long as these three. Rolex makes great tool watches with many associated innovations. They’re mass-produced, relatively simple, but robust movements hidden behind solid casebacks. Their most complicated movements are in the YM2 and Skydweller which are both relatively recent. VC has had the most complicated watch title in the past (as has Patek) and now has this to show off its watchmaking ability. Other than Patek and AP, who else has been doing this for 100 plus years? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro |
28 August 2019, 02:06 PM | #64 |
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Because it would seem to me that for OP, Rolex (as well as Omega) has a better claim to be in the trinity.
To my mind, these labels take decades and even centuries to take shape. The fact that we all woke up to the notion that VC is in the trinity with PP and AP is the very proof in itself. |
28 August 2019, 02:45 PM | #65 |
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100% agree
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28 August 2019, 03:31 PM | #66 | |
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You can provide any kind of evidence that you so choose to substantiate the comment; Meanwhile, https://journal.hautehorlogerie.org/...atch-market-i/ Omega is doing pretty well |
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28 August 2019, 05:16 PM | #67 |
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I wonder if Breguet could submit a ballot for the Trinity.
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28 August 2019, 09:12 PM | #69 |
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If it was my vote, it would be Patek, Breguet and Lange.
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Maybe it should be the Mount Rushmore of watchmakers instead to make room for one more to include Breguet and Lange along side Patek and VC...which would leave AP on the cliff.
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28 August 2019, 11:26 PM | #71 |
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Depends on the definition of holy trinity
I agree the question is should Lange or Breguet be up there. In my mind it has nothing to do with popularity but the longevity of the company and quality of finishing are top priorities. If you think Rolex should be there based on units sold and percentage of value retained, then you should add Seiko and apple watch. But, it is not about that.
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29 August 2019, 12:54 AM | #72 |
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I’m no historian, nor do I influence any rules, but I don’t think Lange gets considered because they’re not Swiss and Breguet seems to have been in Paris for a lot of its history.
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29 August 2019, 05:13 AM | #74 |
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For all those giving AP shade...w/o this manufacture, we may all be wearing nondescript quartz watches around like some dystopian nightmare. The RO not only saved AP from bankruptcy, but may have also fended off the vultures long enough for the entire Swiss watchmaking industry to survive. For that ALONE (and yes, their grande complications) I would place them atop the heap. They deserve to be one of the trinity.
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Why is VC in the "Holy Trinity"?
First of all they're the only big watchmaker that does watches on comission at their Les Cabinotiers Atelier. And they don't do it like Patek who only sells a different dial to some high profile customers... they do it to everyone and build whatever you want if its ethically compatible with the brand. Some of them led to the most complicated pieces, like these: - Vacheron Constantin Les Cabinotiers Celestia Astronomical Grand Complication 3600 - Vacheron Constantin Les Cabinotiers Grand Complication Phoenix - The Vacheron Constantin 57260 - Vacheron Constantin Maitre Cabinotier Astronomica They also did something great things on their regular collection like this: - Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Twin Beat Perpetual Calendar Secondly they're the oldest watch manufacturer in continous operation. That's hell of an accomplishment alone. Now give me a reason why they shouldn't be within the holy trinity? What does Patek and AP make more valuable than VC? Just because some rappers know them? Quote:
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its a fair question possibly if its VC vs another HH brand not included and why its VC and not them. Its a ridiculous notion if its why is VC in it and Rolex isn't.
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AP was officially removed as a member of the holy trinity with the release of the Code 11:59.
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29 August 2019, 09:25 AM | #81 |
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If you have to ask, you have not done the research.
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29 August 2019, 11:23 AM | #82 | |
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i don't wear dressy watches though. For a dressy watch in a more modern size, its pretty nice. 37/38 mm dress watches are an absolute non starter for me so it does fill a nice spot for those so inclined. I love Patek but i feel ridiculous when i have a small dress watch on
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Why is VC in the holy trinity?
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Fantastic first post. Member since 6hrs ago. Talk about history. Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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We really have a lot of damn fools amongst us. Hard to escape it because the Rolex brand just draws them in like flies on
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Cabaiguan what a great response!
Please elaborate what the membership length has to do with knowledge? |
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Btw, completely agree about Holy Trinity Vs Value Retention Trinity. We should be buying and wearing what we love, not just what holds value, and history has a lot to do with the romance of this hobby. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
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That’s the Vacheron Constantin Les Cabinotiers Celestia Astronomical Grand Complication 3600 commissioned by an american business man.
Case: white gold, 45 mm x 13,6 mm Power Reseve: 3 weeks Complications: 23 Price: 1 million US$ |
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I have no idea why VC is in the Holy Trinity. None at all:
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/va...ar-introducing https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/va...ar-introducing https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/va...ges-collection https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/th...eference-57260 |
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