15400 vs ROC

[jjoo]

hey guys, new on this forum;

im trying to buy my first ever watch and was thinking about the ROC white dial until i realized it wasnt an in house movement also no clear case back which sucks.. i honestly think the dial of the ROC looks much more aesthetic also the 3 buttons help make it look better to me


my question is how thick is the 15400 compared to ROC? i ask because contrary to popular belief, i think thicker watches look better imo; which is why i do not prefer a jumbo.

would love some comparison photos / wrist shots / thickness views if anyone has any of these

Thanks

[yjfang]

I don't know the thickness differential between the 2 but I can tell you this.

I've had the AP ROO in a 42MM Diver, Safari, and 44MM Novelty and worn on a 7.5" wrist.

I later found the 44MM Novelty to be too thick ( and I don't like particularly thin sports watches like the Patek 5711). I lost interest in the 42MM ROOs for various reasons but I ultimately picked up the 15400.

The 15400 to me has the right amount of thickness. If the Patek 5711 had similar dimensions as the 15400 I would be all over it (I opted for the 5980 instead.)

[agsstructures]

I tried them both on a week or so ago at the NYC boutique. The thickness between the two is similar. I just thing with the newer 41mm sizing the ROC looks more proportioned.

I ended up going with a jumbo. Either way you cannot go wrong and good luck in your quest!

[jjoo]

thanks!

just really need to decide if the 15400 would be the right choice or the ROC

the more i see 15400 it looks perfect, but when i see the ROC again, it makes me realize that was the reason i wanted an AP haha

[sturgeon123456]

Originally Posted by jjoo

thanks!

just really need to decide if the 15400 would be the right choice or the ROC

the more i see 15400 it looks perfect, but when i see the ROC again, it makes me realize that was the reason i wanted an AP haha

I personally considered the chrono but the movement kills it completely for me.

Theres a reason the 15400 costs almost the same amount but has less complications.

If the chrono was in house I am sure you could add another 10k to the current price tag.

NOTE: I was looking at the full bracelet rose gold models.

Chrono looks great, the 15400 clean face looks amazing too.

[jjoo]

Originally Posted by sturgeon123456

I personally considered the chrono but the movement kills it completely for me.

Theres a reason the 15400 costs almost the same amount but has less complications.

If the chrono was in house I am sure you could add another 10k to the current price tag.

NOTE: I was looking at the full bracelet rose gold models.

Chrono looks great, the 15400 clean face looks amazing too.

the exact reason i dont want the chrono is because its not inhouse but i have to admit it does look sexy..

also i thought the 15400 was considerably cheaper? (couple thousands) im trying to buy a brand new one also

[WAK4]

I think you have to try them on. Then decide if you are OK without the open case back or in house chrono module.

I'd bet there us an in house ROC coming at some point but expect it'll come at a decent bump in price.

For a ROC I'd go with preowned...they don't seem to hold value as well on secondary market so more loss exposure buying new. Probably because it's not in house and no display back.

[Manofsteelpt]

I like the ROC a lot, even more than the 15400. The ROC is 10.8mm thick, while the 15400 is 9.8mm. Get the ROC, buy preowned unless u can get a nice discount from dealer.

[Jack Cassidy]

Yes, the thickness difference is only 1 mm. I have tried both a number of times and the thickness factor should not be decisive for you. Both are great looking. I would say 15400 is more dressy and ROC is more sporty.

[s14roller]

15400 or ROO. I feel the ROC is too in-between, personally.

[AK797]

Love the white ROC, shame it doesn't have the displayback but I think the chrono is better balanced for a 41mm dial.

[lipjin]

I would go with the ROC if that was what you really wanted - you can trade it up towards an inhouse mvt ROC as and when (and IF) it happens:).

I would argue that the 15202 is better proportioned for a simple 3 hand watch and the 41mm RO is great on the ROC. The 15400 looks a tad on the large side for me

[Manofsteelpt]

Originally Posted by lipjin

I would go with the ROC if that was what you really wanted - you can trade it up towards an inhouse mvt ROC as and when (and IF) it happens:).

I would argue that the 15202 is better proportioned for a simple 3 hand watch and the 41mm RO is great on the ROC. The 15400 looks a tad on the large side for me

I would argue the 15202 only has 2 hands

[lipjin]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

I would argue the 15202 only has 2 hands

Lol. You're right of course!

[MrJ320]

I don't think the ROC not having an "in-house" movement should be the deciding factor. The ROC's FP 1185 based movement is fully integrated with vertical clutch, and one of the thinnest (I believe it's still the thinnest) automatic winding fully integrated chronograph movement ever made. The pedigree of this movement is as good as any in-house movement, and also finished to AP's standards by AP.

I've had the 39mm ROC and the movement functioned impeccably, smooth chronograph buttons, and ran within COSC specs.

If the display back is a deal breaker, I can see that rationale if that's important, but IMHO the fact that the movement is not in-house shouldn't be the deal breaker, as there's much to love about the ROC.

For some reason the in-house logic does not apply to Pateks as every Lemania based Patek is worth more than its in-house counterpart.

[RXAPPP]

I had a ROC but flipped it 10months ago.
Just bought a 15400 and love it ( despite some issues posted elsewhere)
You need to ask yourself if The Chrono function is a practical or aesthetic choice and ignore the fact about the in house movement or lack of. Let's be honest it's an AP whatever way you slice it.
For me the 15400 benefits from its simple looks whilst the case back is a bonus, then again I don't need a Chrono - as others have said if you want AP Chrono I'd go ROO

[zama]

Love my new 15400 i bought it thinking it was more of a dress watch but it size definitely puts in a sports watch category, like it more every day. You wont be unhappy, buy a chrono if you need it, personally I prefer my AP and PP with clean as possible dials.

[aleeboy]

The ROC looks better IMHO. A more complicated dial and the Chrono pushers give it a more sporty and luxurious look. Thickness won't be an issue as the ROC will fit under conventional cuffs with no issues. I have a Novelty and this watch will not fit under any cuff!!!

[jjoo]

thanks for the responses guys, i guess i need to actually go see one before i decide..

[masterkiller]

The new ROC (41mm) look alot more balanced than the 15400, so 26320 would be my choice, love it!!!!!

[orangedial]

15400 is simple and elegant, whereas ROC is more sporty with a lot more details on the dial and case to be admired at. I own an ROC, so I can confidently say that the AP2385 integrated chronograph movement is not a wee bit lesser than the AP3120 in-house base movement.

To me, it is less likely to get bored with the handsome ROC. I can't say the same for 15400...

[sturgeon123456]

Originally Posted by MrJ320

I don't think the ROC not having an "in-house" movement should be the deciding factor. The ROC's FP 1185 based movement is fully integrated with vertical clutch, and one of the thinnest (I believe it's still the thinnest) automatic winding fully integrated chronograph movement ever made. The pedigree of this movement is as good as any in-house movement, and also finished to AP's standards by AP.

I've had the 39mm ROC and the movement functioned impeccably, smooth chronograph buttons, and ran within COSC specs.

If the display back is a deal breaker, I can see that rationale if that's important, but IMHO the fact that the movement is not in-house shouldn't be the deal breaker, as there's much to love about the ROC.

For some reason the in-house logic does not apply to Pateks as every Lemania based Patek is worth more than its in-house counterpart.

These are all valid points. However, some people prefer the in house label...some people expect it. I considered the chrono but the lack of in house was a deal breaker for me. Also I may be wrong but I believe that the chrono has a non hacking movement.

[Kyu]

Originally Posted by AK797

Love the white ROC, shame it doesn't have the displayback but I think the chrono is better balanced for a 41mm dial.