New Release OMEGA STEEL 321 vs DAYTONA STEEL

[Hotrod297]

Two over hype and priced watches. At least the Daytona will hold it's value. The 321 not so sure?

[goog53]

Daytona or nothing would be my choice

[HogwldFLTR]

I'd take the Daytona in a heartbeat in comparison to an Omega 60s watch even if it was made in 2020.

[daOnlyBG]

I dig that the Omega only has "Speedmaster" written below the logo, and very little else. I wish Rolex would follow suit and return to their 1960s roots. However, $14K is a steep price for a modern Speedmaster.

[klenboy]

I like the Daytona more than the Speedmaster. Especially at their respective price points (MSRP)

[nachopc]

Omega vs Rolex
BMW vs Porsche or Range Rover

It’s another league !


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[Cru Jones]

The 321 is for a certain hardcore Speedy fan. I mean, the movement tech is OLD, but it is pretty. As for the rest, why make an Ed White homage with a sapphire crystal, display back, fauxtina lume and bizarre polish/brush/polish bracelet?

What I love about the Daytona is that while it is rooted in history, it is resolutely modern with no compromises.

So, yeah, give me a black DaytonaC. ;-)

[Seaswirl]

Daytona by a mile and then add a Plain Jane Speedy Pro.

[jltait]

The only reason I’d consider this new 321 model over the standard hesalite moon watch is the revised bracelet, but nowhere near worth it at MSRP. The movement is legendary sure, but not necessarily better than the currently produced caliber. Some will disagree I know.

[subtona]

When the watch hits and the reviews start coming in, the limited supply is sure to cause some big hype.

I expect many of the commentators discounting this watch for price will be quite surprised and many will find themselves in the market.

All I would say is wait and see rather than rush to judgment.

[42itus]

My OB said they aren’t taking deposits on this because they don’t know how many they can deliver. I was told that it might be available to me as soon as one comes in. But I’m not a big hitter so I would say I won’t get one unless multiple clients pass on it.


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[Dsmith1974]

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out. Glad I never sold mine.

I don’t think the 321 is worth is 14K. Maybe 5 or 6. Not a fan or faux patina and they should’ve at least made it 100M water resistant.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out. Glad I never sold mine.

I don’t think the 321 is worth is 14K. Maybe 5 or 6. Not a fan or faux patina and they should’ve at least made it 100M water resistant.

Lemania (321) movement is used in the Patek 5070P...that watch is 150k. Relatively speaking sounds like a fair deal.

The “faux patina” claim has been fairly disputed as being inaccurate. Original advertisement pictures for the Ed white showed nearly identical coloring in brand new Ed whites from 1965. It was the original color of the tritium lume before aging. Regardless imho the light contrast of the markers adds interest in the dial and I think it looks good.

Agree with the 100m WR, that would have made it a world beater.

[exador]

Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out.

Don't believe it until I hear it from Robert-Jan Broer.

[pepsiretail]

Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out. Glad I never sold mine.

I don’t think the 321 is worth is 14K. Maybe 5 or 6. Not a fan or faux patina and they should’ve at least made it 100M water resistant.

lol 5 or 6 k thanks for the

[ma.st.]

I love both and respect the history, heritage and modern technology employed (differently) in each.

I see no problem with the 321 pricing. Is it more than I was hoping? Sure. But so is the grey market pricing on Daytona's right now.

321 deserves a seat at the same table for the exact same reasons that I put the Daytona there. I'll withhold judgment on which gets the head seat, though.

[iTreelex]

The Omega isn't even regulated to a chronometer, is it? If so then the price is ridiculous.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by iTreelex

The Omega isn't even regulated to a chronometer, is it? If so then the price is ridiculous.

The Daytona is found to be illegible by many and it doesn't have the correct number of markers to accurately determine a 60 second timing event... no amount of regulating will correct this fundamental flaw.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by cgaites

Let's be real here, the 321 Speedy's primary competition in the marketplace is not the Dayton. Rather, the new 321 is competing primarily against vintage 321s. The new versions MSRP falls a bit below the market price of a mint, 100% correct ref. 105.003 "Ed White", and a bit above the market price of a similar condition/originality 145.012. For those who are not Speedy nerds like me, those are the references of the last straight lug 321 Speedy and the last lyre lug (and last ever) 321 Speedy. As such, as much as I wish it were cheaper, I think Omega's pricing strategy is spot on. Whether or not the new watches hold value near MSRP on the secondary market will be entirely dependent on how many Omega produces. As a subsidiary of a publicly traded company, I strongly suspect Omega's goal is to set production at, "as many as we can sell".

Regarding the comparison with the Daytona, on pure aesthetics I much prefer the Speedy. That said, while I think many on this forum underestimate both the water resistance (I swim with my modern Speedy with no issues) and value retention (all of mine are currently worth more than I paid) of 321/861/1861 Speedmasters, if paying MSRP at an AD, then I'd pick the Dayton. Then I could sell it, buy a modern 321 on the grey market, and pocket a few thousand dollars :)

Very good points. In this context it makes a lot of sense. This was announced on a Tuesday(Speedy Tuesday) because while not another “LE” it is definitely for fans of the Speedmaster and Omega has thrown in many cues to it’s heritage with this watch.

Can it compete with the Daytona, after considering many things...yes, it can. Did or does Omega consider this a watch to produce to go for the Daytona customer, a direct competitor, I don’t believe so.
The pricing is honestly a bit expensive but in line with vintage Ed Whites, it’s priced within its market as stated above.

I found it hard to accept but after having an open mind and really comparing what I like in a chrono, the Speedmaster is the better watch to me. Waterproofing is it’s only weak point compared to the Rolex and accuracy rating which although perhaps not chronometer/metas rated, I think Omega will insure this is an accurate watch.

Originally Posted by subtona

The Daytona is found to be illegible by many and it doesn't have the correct number of markers to accurately determine a 60 second timing event... no amount of regulating will correct this fundamental flaw.

When people talk about accuracy, in general understanding people are talking about how the watch runs. It doesn’t matter what’s on the dial. Plenty of watches don’t even have minute (Panerai) markers or even hour markers, but you can tell the time, accurately because the watch runs dependably.
I don’t understand why you always side step that and rebuttal with something that has nothing to do with how a watch runs.

The issue people mention isn’t about accuracy in reading the time, it’s about accuracy in the movement running. Which from a day to day use, I’m a 100% sure that if you own a Daytona you would be able to read the time if asked, “hey, it’s 3:44” because no one reads the time in 5ths 6ths or 8ths or any other denomination of a chronograph register. Unless you’re actually literally in a chronograph timing moment.

I understand your point, and I can’t say you’re wrong about reading the time on each watch but when a watch is rated chronometer, superlative, geneva seal(finish also) or metas, it’s referring to how the movement runs. COSC didn’t even test cased watches it just tested movements.

I for one prefer the Speedmaster and it began with aesthetics, then legibility, then quality. It’s still to be seen but I highly doubt Omega would invest so much into a Speedmaster 321 to have it keep bad time, but it’s certainly legitimate to ask about how it runs and why no rating from Omega when they rate everything else except the 1861.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Very good points. In this context it makes a lot of sense. This was announced on a Tuesday(Speedy Tuesday) because while not another “LE” it is definitely for fans of the Speedmaster and Omega has thrown in many cues to it’s heritage with this watch.

Can it compete with the Daytona, after considering many things...yes, it can. Did or does Omega consider this a watch to produce to go for the Daytona customer, a direct competitor, I don’t believe so.
The pricing is honestly a bit expensive but in line with vintage Ed Whites, it’s priced within its market as stated above.

I found it hard to accept but after having an open mind and really comparing what I like in a chrono, the Speedmaster is the better watch to me. Waterproofing is it’s only weak point compared to the Rolex and accuracy rating which although perhaps not chronometer/metas rated, I think Omega will insure this is an accurate watch.



When people talk about accuracy, in general understanding people are talking about how the watch runs. It doesn’t matter what’s on the dial. Plenty of watches don’t even have minute (Panerai) markers or even hour markers, but you can tell the time, accurately because the watch runs dependably.
I don’t understand why you always side step that and rebuttal with something that has nothing to do with how a watch runs.

The issue people mention isn’t about accuracy in reading the time, it’s about accuracy in the movement running. Which from a day to day use, I’m a 100% sure that if you own a Daytona you would be able to read the time if asked, “hey, it’s 3:44” because no one reads the time in 5ths 6ths or 8ths or any other denomination of a chronograph register. Unless you’re actually literally in a chronograph timing moment.

I understand your point, and I can’t say you’re wrong about reading the time on each watch but when a watch is rated chronometer, superlative, geneva seal(finish also) or metas, it’s referring to how the movement runs. COSC didn’t even test cased watches it just tested movements.

I for one prefer the Speedmaster and it began with aesthetics, then legibility, then quality. It’s still to be seen but I highly doubt Omega would invest so much into a Speedmaster 321 to have it keep bad time, but it’s certainly legitimate to ask about how it runs and why no rating from Omega when they rate everything else except the 1861.

Good points and understood, my perspective is in this comparison between the two brands, the accuracy of the movement is irrelevant unless you are keeping the uncashed on a workbench ... I don’t know anyone who intends to do that so Understanding a justification for one over the other.

When I was a 1 watch guy I noticed accuracy as an afterthought.
Now that I keep a little rotation of watches, I switch the, long before any noticeable deviation occurs.

But when I wear a chronograph or a dive watch, you can be assured that I will be timing something, a parking meter, my pasta or a workout. I have owned 3 Daytona’s, if it were legible you guys wouldn’t know me, I would still be a 1 watch guy.

I can not read the minute counter on the Daytona with accuracy because I can’t see it and the chrono is by design inaccurate. Anyone who is discussing accuracy of the movement vs the dial accuracy and legibility is imho missing the big picture? Does the watch provide a function to you. If accuracy of the movement is the priority, then wouldn’tCasio or seiko be a more accurate choice choice?

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by subtona

I can not read the minute counter on the Daytona with accuracy because I can’t see it and the chrono is by design inaccurate. Anyone who is discussing accuracy of the movement vs the dial accuracy and legibility is imho missing the big picture? Does the watch provide a function to you. If accuracy of the movement is the priority, then wouldn’tCasio or seiko be a more accurate choice choice?

The Daytona has a visibility deficit for sure, and after seeing your side by side photo, I've been ruined as I now feel the Daytona is cartoonish. That aside as a pretty shiny/blingy watch, the Daytona serves that purpose among others. It's a beautiful watch with a lot of positives, however, this one particular Speedmaster can compete with it, if you have an open mind.

As for accuracy, I disagree. If accuracy was so unimportant in a mechanical watch, the industry wouldn't push for such stringent standards as we have today. Metas with Omega and Superlative with Rolex for example. Also no matter how or what we think of a mechanical watch, if it can't track time accordingly, running fast gaining 2-3 minutes day or running slow and loosing +2 minutes a day, very few would be in business. Running severely outside of a COSC standard for example is unexceptable or a watch who's rate cannot be adjusted to a consistent frequency, no.
I don't need quartz precision, but I do need to tell time accurately, my job often depends on it.
What a huge hassle to have to adjust or mentally compensate for a bad running watch every few days. Minutes do matter. No heritage or name could make me give plus $10k for a bad running watch. Just my pov.

[Bozack90]

its a tough one, I really like the Speedy but personally couldn't see myself spending that much for one even with the new case, bracelet, and the re release 321 movement.

I have always loved the Daytona, but they are so limited in availability that you're forced to pay a massive markup....

Compared to the secondary market price of the Daytona the new Speedy is pretty reasonable, but I still would rather just get an original Hesalite speedy and another Rolex and call it a day.

[Rado63]

The 321 isn't just a remake of old parts. The entire watch movement and watch head and bracelet is said to be made by a single watch maker. The entire movement has been re manufactured to the exact spec of the 321. I would like the platinum 321 with meteorite sub dials. Watch is icy cool. Until then I will continue to wear my hesalite crystal, solid case back, speedy pro. Photo is from the Hodinkee article on the 321 Platinum.

[mmaggi]

Price aside, the 321 wins. Not even close. A true chronograph is hand wound, not an auto for starters. Both have a column wheels.

Daytonas are nice, don't get me wrong. But a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

[Seaswirl]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

Price aside, the 321 wins. Not even close. A true chronograph is hand wound, not an auto for starters. Both have a column wheels.

Daytonas are nice, don't get me wrong. But a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

Why should a “true” chronograph be hand wound? Couldn’t the same be said for all mechanical watches? I like my Speedy just fine, but I don’t think it’s anymore of a real chronograph as my Daytona or IWC Portugese Chronograph Classic. Just different.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

Price aside, the 321 wins. Not even close. A true chronograph is hand wound, not an auto for starters. Both have a column wheels.

Daytonas are nice, don't get me wrong. But a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

Not really. A true chronograph can also be auto. You just prefer manual. You'd have a stronger argument if you were talking integrated v modular. The height of the chrono was in the 60's and 70's in car racing. The ruler there was Heuer. Both manual and auto.


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[Dougiebaby]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

...a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

The Speedy is the most iconic chrono to space watch geeks.

The Daytona is the most iconic chrono to motorsports watch geeks ... and the public as a whole.

I have been collecting nice watches since 1984 (got a DJ36 for my HS graduation) and the Speedy has always just ... fallen short. I have tried to become a "true watch geek" and add a Speedy (we're supposed to do that aren't we?) but every time I see one or put one on ... meh. It is one of the more disappointing watches in the metal to me.

But, the Daytona is s3x on the wrist. Of course it is not as legible ... who cares, it's sexy as heck! Non watch people see it and know it is something special. It really is one of the Rock Stars of the watch world.

Rock Stars give a middle finger to ... doing well in school, marrying a good girl that you can take home to mom, and driving a 5-star crash test minivan.

Rock Stars stay out late at night, pick up hot chicks, and drive Lambos! When was the last time you saw umberella girls at a space launch?

[Rolexfellow]

I own a Speedmaster and a white dial ceramic Daytona...Love them both but can only read the time on one of them..Dare to guess which one?

[brucethemanlee]

Daytona without question if same price

Which means omega overpriced

If omega was < $10k then there might be some competition

I just don’t understand the value of a 321 movement. Sure iconic but what else?


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[lamnyc]

I’ll wait till I get my white dial Daytona before I considered getting the 321 speedmaster.