Are all F series 16610lv's Flat Four's?

[hopkinswatch22]

I am getting more familiar with the differences between the serial numbers on the 16610lv "kermit" and understand that the Y and F series have the Mk 1 dials with the oval O and 5 ticks as well as the Flat four bezels. My question is did all of the F series watches have the oval O and flat four or were these only the earlier ones and the later ones had the regular O and the pointed 4.

[Chewbacca]

there's no hard and fast rule to the flat 4 but the ballpark is generally accepted as you've discovered and mentioned.

[sensui]

Originally Posted by hopkinswatch22

I am getting more familiar with the differences between the serial numbers on the 16610lv "kermit" and understand that the Y and F series have the Mk 1 dials with the oval O and 5 ticks as well as the Flat four bezels. My question is did all of the F series watches have the oval O and flat four or were these only the earlier ones and the later ones had the regular O and the pointed 4.

Yes only the y serials/earlier f serials have the flat four insert. Changed to pointed four sometime during mid f series.

[rootbeer7]

It is thought after or around F5

[hopkinswatch22]

I came across this in my research breaking down the different aspects. According to this it looks like the Mark 1 and Mark 3 versions had the Flat 4 bezels, but the Mark 2 had the pointed 4. Does anyone know if this is correct? It looks like the difference is that the Mark 1's had both Flat 4 and 5 ticks and Mark 3's had Flat 4 and 3 ticks. The Mark 2 has the pointed 4 but has 5 ticks and all 3 of these have the oval 'O'. To me, looking at these differences, I feel the Mark 2 could have some collectible value over the other pointed 4 versions due to the 5 tick dial, but maybe not. What do you guys think of the accuracy of this breakdown?

Mark 1, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Flat 4 (2003 Issue Models ONLY), From Y966xxx 19 September 2003 To F068XXX November 2003
Mark 1, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Flat 4 (2004 Onwards) From F100000/F110000??? F Serial Late October 2004 To ???????
Mark 2, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Pointed 4, From ??????? To F78XXXX 23 February 2005/F730XXX April 2005/F8XXXXX
Mark 3, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Flat 4, From F Serial To DXXX440 2005
Mark 4, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R 'in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, From D090842 July 2005 To D361XXX 2005
Mark 5, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, From D Serial Early December 2005 To ???????
Mark 6, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', 'Between 28 & 32 Mins', Pointed 4, From D358XXX December 2005 To Z261804 22 December 2006
Mark 7, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', 'Between 28 & 32 Mins', Pointed 4, Serial number On Inner Rehaut, From M Serial August 2008 To ???????
Mark 8, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, Serial number On Inner Rehaut, From M08332X Serial 2008 To ???????

[Stevec14]

The accuracy is dependent on who has told the author they have what. In general fairly accurate I think, but there was someone on here not so long ago with a wonky dial who was different to any of those combos I think.

For the record, I have a f serial LV and have the pointed 4. Mine is F7 (I think) and fits in exactly with what is described as a mark 2 above (a mark 3 in other publications). I suspect it doesn’t have any real value uptick over the others, although you’d be amazed how many times I notice the oval ‘O’

[Richmor]

Originally Posted by Stevec14

For the record, I have a f serial LV and have the pointed 4. Mine is F7

I have a F Serial number F6xxxx with pointed 4. I always thought it was a Mark 1 dial but not sure; from the listing it may be a Mark 2. Only difference I see is the bezel. Don't know why it is not a Mark 1.

quoting hopkinswatch22
Mark 2, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Pointed 4,

[sensui]

Originally Posted by Richmor

I have a F Serial number F6xxxx with pointed 4. I always thought it was a Mark 1 dial but not sure; from the listing it may be a Mark 2. Only difference I see is the bezel. Don't know why it is not a Mark 1.

quoting hopkinswatch22
Mark 2, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Pointed 4,

In this case, they're speaking of "Mark X" as in variants on the entire watch. It's a mk2 16610LV but yes it shares the same dial as mk1 but instead without the flat four on the insert.

[SMD]

F02 serial; Flat Four; Mark 1, December 2013 papers

[mdtddd2007]

Originally Posted by hopkinswatch22

I came across this in my research breaking down the different aspects. According to this it looks like the Mark 1 and Mark 3 versions had the Flat 4 bezels, but the Mark 2 had the pointed 4. Does anyone know if this is correct? It looks like the difference is that the Mark 1's had both Flat 4 and 5 ticks and Mark 3's had Flat 4 and 3 ticks. The Mark 2 has the pointed 4 but has 5 ticks and all 3 of these have the oval 'O'. To me, looking at these differences, I feel the Mark 2 could have some collectible value over the other pointed 4 versions due to the 5 tick dial, but maybe not. What do you guys think of the accuracy of this breakdown?

Mark 1, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Flat 4 (2003 Issue Models ONLY), From Y966xxx 19 September 2003 To F068XXX November 2003
Mark 1, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Flat 4 (2004 Onwards) From F100000/F110000??? F Serial Late October 2004 To ???????
Mark 2, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Pointed 4, From ??????? To F78XXXX 23 February 2005/F730XXX April 2005/F8XXXXX
Mark 3, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Flat 4, From F Serial To DXXX440 2005
Mark 4, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R 'in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, From D090842 July 2005 To D361XXX 2005
Mark 5, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, From D Serial Early December 2005 To ???????
Mark 6, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', 'Between 28 & 32 Mins', Pointed 4, From D358XXX December 2005 To Z261804 22 December 2006
Mark 7, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', 'Between 28 & 32 Mins', Pointed 4, Serial number On Inner Rehaut, From M Serial August 2008 To ???????
Mark 8, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, Serial number On Inner Rehaut, From M08332X Serial 2008 To ???????

[Watchgeek5000]

No, I had an F with a Mark II dial pointed 4

[Egelber]

Can someone please post a pic? I'm lost on this thread

[kneedeep]

Originally Posted by SMD

F02 serial; Flat Four; Mark 1, December 2013 papers

Papers dated December 2013 would be very late for an early F serial unless special circumstances. Did you mean to write December 2003?

[00Seven]

I have a Mark II. F2 serial. I think the bezel might have been swapped at service though.

[Stevec14]

Originally Posted by sensui

In this case, they're speaking of "Mark X" as in variants on the entire watch. It's a mk2 16610LV but yes it shares the same dial as mk1 but instead without the flat four on the insert.

Yes, this makes sense. Either way, I love it.

[Stevec14]

Originally Posted by 00Seven

I have a Mark II. F2 serial. I think the bezel might have been swapped at service though.

Nice duo

[mjg002]

Mine is F5xx - Mark 2 with Pointed 4 from October 2004. As info...

[SMD]

Originally Posted by kneedeep

Papers dated December 2013 would be very late for an early F serial unless special circumstances. Did you mean to write December 2003?

Yes, that is what I meant. Man time flies.

[sgrossma]

I had a F flat four with non-oval O and it was definitely factory / not modified. Rare occurrence but lots of variations exist.

[zeeww]

Mine is F50xxx June 2005, mark 1 flat four (been reading loads on this, I believe this is one the really late/final mark 1s with flat four)

[fleabag]

Pics would be nice


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[Boaters]

So many differences and the price reflects such on each. You really need to do your research when looking to purchase one.

[mjg002]

Originally Posted by zeeww

Mine is F50xxx June 2005, mark 1 flat four (been reading loads on this, I believe this is one the really late/final mark 1s with flat four)

To further specify, mine is F52xxx from October 2004 with mark 2 dial and pointed 4. So, yes, yours must be one of the very last Flat 4s.

[mjg002]

I’m also really interested to know what people think about the Mark 3 indicated:

QUOTE
Mark 3, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Flat 4, From F Serial To DXXX440 2005
UNQUOTE

Did the Flat 4 really make a return from late F Serial Numbers to early Ds?

Seems Mark 2s then would be from around F51xx to F7xxx. In fact, mine could be one of the first pointed 4s as it is dated October 2004?

[joshtpa]

I have one that I purchased in March 2004, Serial # is F0202XX. It came with a pointed 4.

[Zed82]

Originally Posted by sensui

Yes only the y serials/earlier f serials have the flat four insert. Changed to pointed four sometime during mid f series.

There are flat four all the way up to D-series. Check the reference list posted above.

[newsboy]

Originally Posted by Zed82

There are flat four all the way up to D-series. Check the reference list posted above.

there's no hard or fast rules on the Flat 4 inserts. Some F and D series watches had the inserts, some had the pointed 4's

[Zed82]

Originally Posted by newsboy

there's no hard or fast rules on the Flat 4 inserts. Some F and D series watches had the inserts, some had the pointed 4's

Correct.

[nachopc]

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[nachopc]

Mark1 2004!


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