F.P. Journe

[Patek_collector]

it may look a weird post, but i am Patek guy with few Pateks which i posted about here...

I am starting to learn a bit about of F.P. Journey to understand why is this sudden craziness and i am starting to understand a bit of the uniqueness of this brand. i wont collect it, but i would think of owning one watch to have the feel.

of course, their boutiques have no watches. i am liking the Octa Automatique Lune AL Platinum which i found for around $64K.

anyone knows anything about this watch or the price that should be associated with?

thanks.

[Hub6152]

If you really want the true FPJ then it’s not automatic. He was reluctant to make automatics at all but bowed to the notion that consumers would want them. The simplest and least expensive of them that encompass all his ideals would be the Chronometrie Souverain series.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Hub6152

If you really want the true FPJ then it’s not automatic. He was reluctant to make automatics at all but bowed to the notion that consumers would want them. The simplest and least expensive of them that encompass all his ideals would be the Chronometrie Souverain series.

Woe is me! I have a false FPJ - the Octa RDM. FPJ himself wore this model as his personal watch, and designed clocks for FPJ boutiques using the Octa RDM as the template.

https://moneyinc.com/10-finest-f-p-journe-watches-time/

[Hub6152]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Woe is me! I have a false FPJ - the Octa RDM. FPJ himself wore this model as his personal watch, and designed clocks for FPJ boutiques using the Octa RDM as the template.

https://moneyinc.com/10-finest-f-p-journe-watches-time/

Where did I use the word false? All I said was he didn’t really want to make an automatic watch but did so to give consumers more choice since it was thought that manual wind only narrowed the appeal when trying to establish a new brand. And when I met him he was wearing the horizontal tourbillon.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Hub6152

Where did I use the word false? All I said was he didn’t really want to make an automatic watch but did so to give consumers more choice since it was thought that manual wind only narrowed the appeal when trying to establish a new brand. And when I met him he was wearing the horizontal tourbillon.

Calm down.

[Hub6152]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Woe is me! I have a false FPJ - the Octa RDM. FPJ himself wore this model as his personal watch, and designed clocks for FPJ boutiques using the Octa RDM as the template.

https://moneyinc.com/10-finest-f-p-journe-watches-time/

And isn’t that CS in the article the Rose gold version not platinum as stated? And where did that article even mention the 38mm brass movements? And the Centigraphe is #2 and the Resonance #3? C’mon Money Inc!!

[Lo100169]

Originally Posted by Hub6152

If you really want the true FPJ then it’s not automatic. He was reluctant to make automatics at all but bowed to the notion that consumers would want them. The simplest and least expensive of them that encompass all his ideals would be the Chronometrie Souverain series.

Says who? you keep repeating the same, this is just your opinion.

[Hub6152]

Originally Posted by Lo100169

Says who? you keep repeating the same, this is just your opinion.

It’s actually in writing in a biography of him but I can’t remember where I read it.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Hub6152

It’s actually in writing in a biography of him but I can’t remember where I read it.

If it's written down in a biography, it must be true.

[Hub6152]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

If it's written down in a biography, it must be true.

Whatever

[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by Hub6152

If you really want the true FPJ then it’s not automatic. He was reluctant to make automatics at all but bowed to the notion that consumers would want them. The simplest and least expensive of them that encompass all his ideals would be the Chronometrie Souverain series.

I was in the same boat as you are in that I was very interested in the Octa Lune because it is an automatic (like Rolexes, Pateks, etc) but the manual Chronometre series is what makes F.P. Journe different from the other brands - the power reserve positioned next to the crown and double barrel movement as in the Souverain. good luck

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by danicasi2002

I was in the same boat as you are in that I was very interested in the Octa Lune because it is an automatic (like Rolexes, Pateks, etc) but the manual Chronometre series is what makes F.P. Journe different from the other brands - the power reserve positioned next to the crown and double barrel movement as in the Souverain. good luck

This article is a good read for CS:

http://thejourneguy.com/rediscoverin...tre-souverain/

[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by llngoc

This article is a good read for CS:

http://thejourneguy.com/rediscoverin...tre-souverain/

Excellent read. Thanks for sharing.

[Bosscheto]

I live in Switzerland - the FPJ Boutique in Geneva has no watches - just cases with dials to exhibit the models. The official retailer in Lausanne has one watch - ladies Elegante with diamond bezel and the director is not selling it to have something on the window shop. Waiting lists on everything start at 2 years, and some of the models are out of reach. FPJ consider putting a limit of maximum 2 watches per collector a year, I am not sure if it is official.

He is a unique individual and hugely respected in the industry. I think the combination of Watchbox absorbing practically the entire secondary market in US, relatively small production - under 1k of Mechanical watches and even less of his special quartz movement + Covid fear of inflation + the massive success of CB made the entire Brand collectable. I am new in the watch world - 4-5 years, but when I speak with people working for years - they have never seen something like this.

[bonsai-man]

It’s great you are interested in FPJ, but should this thread really be in the Patek Philippe sub forum.

[llngoc]

I have both Patek and FPJ, and have been enjoying both. And I agree that as a first piece, a Chronometre Souverain would be a better entry than the Octa series. Since a lot of the joy from the watch is the movement side and an automatic with the rotor kind of distract from it. In addition, the CS seems to be a simple time only watch but it is a lot more complicated than meet the eyes.

[flava_1]

I can see an argument for a dedicated FPJourne forum as well


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[Just1More]

Originally Posted by flava_1

I can see an argument for a dedicated FPJourne forum as well


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I agree--Grand Seiko has a dedicated forum--c'mon !!

[flava_1]

Originally Posted by Just1More

I agree--Grand Seiko has a dedicated forum--c'mon !!

Any Moderators here who can help?


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[GB-man]

Originally Posted by flava_1

Any Moderators here who can help?


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They are very reluctant to add sub forums. Many other watch forums have a ton of slow moving sections and sometimes it feels like we need a few hot topics in the other watches section to keep it moving. I know this is personally my favorite sub forum.

Don’t forget Seiko has its own sub forum here not so much grand seiko which just comes with the package.

All that said I would be in favor of a FP Journe section but it’s not just a matter of messaging the mods or Steve. They just rarely do it and I have doubts they would for a brand as small as FPJ.

[QuantumOceanLawyer]

I spent a night at a boutique last night. The community around real Journe enthusiasts is really neat. It feels very different compared to most watch communities.


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[Partekular]

Originally Posted by QuantumOceanLawyer

I spent a night at a boutique last night. The community around real Journe enthusiasts is really neat. It feels very different compared to most watch communities.
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FPJ is not independent is it? I thought it had been bought by Chanel? They used to make 800 a year so the hype over the in demand blue face is creating demand far exceeding supply and has caught everyone’s attention. The FPJ community of actual as opposed to wannabe owners must be small!

I expect Chanel, with their marketing skills, will go for increased production and some what are currently akin to one-offs will crystallise into a fixed range. With small production runs the problem will be repairing older limited edition models with, effectively, unique mechanisms.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Partekular

FPJ is not independent is it? I thought it had been bought by Chanel? They used to make 800 a year so the hype over the in demand blue face is creating demand far exceeding supply and has caught everyone’s attention. The FPJ community of actual as opposed to wannabe owners must be small!

I expect Chanel, with their marketing skills, will go for increased production and some what are currently akin to one-offs will crystallise into a fixed range. With small production runs the problem will be repairing older limited edition models with, effectively, unique mechanisms.

Chanel has a minority stake in the company and supposed to be a passive investor to prevent other big watch groups to acquire the company once FP is no longer with the company.

The owner brothers are also Journe collectors and good friends of FP himself. There are a lot of articles on this investment to provide more insight to this deal. I read somewhere that there is no plan to increase production and the growth will come from increased ASP.

[QuantumOceanLawyer]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Chanel has a minority stake in the company and supposed to be a passive investor to prevent other big watch groups to acquire the company once FP is no longer with the company.

The owner brothers are also Journe collectors and good friends of FP himself. There are a lot of articles on this investment to provide more insight to this deal. I read somewhere that there is no plan to increase production and the growth will come from increased ASP.

Yeah. I think they are really thinking about the future of the brand for collectors. They really care about them and keeping production where it is because they know they can assure the same quality and attention to detail.


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[flava_1]

My understanding is that they remain independent and Chanel have commutes to that for the time being. Their stake is only 20% but affords lots of access to capital and other benefits.


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[7sins]

Got to try this beauty on (not mine) in the flesh recently. WHAT A WATCH! An incredible brand, hope to add one in the future.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Got to try this beauty on (not mine) in the flesh recently. WHAT A WATCH! An incredible brand, hope to add one in the future.

This is gorgeous.

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by Patek_collector

it may look a weird post, but i am Patek guy with few Pateks which i posted about here...

I am starting to learn a bit about of F.P. Journey to understand why is this sudden craziness and i am starting to understand a bit of the uniqueness of this brand. i wont collect it, but i would think of owning one watch to have the feel.

of course, their boutiques have no watches. i am liking the Octa Automatique Lune AL Platinum which i found for around $64K.

anyone knows anything about this watch or the price that should be associated with?

thanks.

Would visit a local boutique often and get on the list. I don’t think there is a single watch they make that I don’t like. Participating in their events and getting them know the staff can only help- for example if someone drops off the list or turns down a watch- they may offer it to you.

I am a Patek collector that has also been bitten by the Journe bug. Here are two recent pics:





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[llngoc]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

Would visit a local boutique often and get on the list. I don’t think there is a single watch they make that I don’t like. Participating in their events and getting them know the staff can only help- for example if someone drops off the list or turns down a watch- they may offer it to you.

I am a Patek collector that has also been bitten by the Journe bug. Here are two recent pics:





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Agree that this is probably the best route to go and learn more about the brand before making a move. Going aftermarket may dilute your experience. And since the boutique is quite transparent and do not play games, you only need some patience and you should eventually get the piece you want.

BTW, maybe we should move this thread to the other sub forum as it seems like we have monogamous Patek fans here who take offense at discussing other brands. I thought only religion and politics are forbidden at the dining table but we should add watch collecting to the list too.

[vandyologist]

I’m another Patek-partisan who’s dabbled in Journe. They’re outstanding watches and the ethos of the brand really does put the collector first. I’ll second or third the recommendation to spend a bit of time at the boutique and talk about the brand and watches with them.