American Rolex Robber who preys on California in person sellers

[Krash]

The perpetrator of this crime could be amongst us and posting on this and other threads.


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[Chefinspecteur]

I bet!

QUOTE=Krash;13242437]The perpetrator of this crime could be amongst us and posting on this and other threads.


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[Swilder916]

Originally Posted by Krash

The perpetrator of this crime could be amongst us and posting on this and other threads.


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Keep your eyes out for the next "Got the call / Incoming!!!" Post with this pic...






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[77T]

Originally Posted by Krash

The perpetrator of this crime could be amongst us and posting on this and other threads.


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He was lurking here before - that is how Jayden stole it in the first thread by OP about this crime.

And he surely is again!


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[77T]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

The Rolex Robber from northern California has been tied to at least eight such thefts all over California.

Good additional info on the pattern this guy has established.

Did you ever post the serial number of your DD he took?

Doing that on TRF helped me recover my Platona a couple of years back.


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[JRell]

I don’t understand why people try to sell or buy expensive watches to people they meet online. Just don’t get it. Yes the criminal is the problem, but come on everyone!

[forcinitijp]

So .. I got lost... do you say black? African-American? Central American?

I think the term African-American was born because black-skinned Africans (because there are also Africans of other colors like the Egyptians etc) don't like to be told that they are black... between a dilemma now...

Update how you have to mention people with black skin so they are pigeonholed into a specific race ... African-American you understand anything... there are also the Afrikaans or Boers who are Afrowhites

[77T]

Originally Posted by forcinitijp

So .. I got lost... do you say black? African-American? Central American?

I think the term African-American was born because black-skinned Africans (because there are also Africans of other colors like the Egyptians etc) don't like to be told that they are black... between a dilemma now...

Update how you have to mention people with black skin so they are pigeonholed into a specific race ... African-American you understand anything... there are also the Afrikaans or Boers who are Afrowhites

On a global forum there can be syntax patterns that are common in one region but are confusing in other regions.


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[Rolexken]

Originally Posted by forcinitijp

So .. I got lost... do you say black? African-American? Central American?

I think the term African-American was born because black-skinned Africans (because there are also Africans of other colors like the Egyptians etc) don't like to be told that they are black... between a dilemma now...

Update how you have to mention people with black skin so they are pigeonholed into a specific race ... African-American you understand anything... there are also the Afrikaans or Boers who are Afrowhites

Elon Musk is an African American.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by Rolexken

Elon Musk is an African American.

No, he's not. Someone who came from Africa and is now American is not African American. Africans who are first (or even multiple generations) Americans are not African American. People whose ancestors have been in the US to the point where their lineage most likely consists of ancestors who were enslaved are African American. My neighbor is black and born here, but he's not African American; he's from Trinidad. Someone like Opera Winfrey or Kevin Hart can be described as African American black. Someone like Akon (singer), who’s black, African, and American is not African American. The thief in the photos could be African American, Kenyan, Guyanese, Jamaican, Nigerian, etc.

[enjoythemusic]

Since this thief is a repeat offender, shouldn't this thread be a 'sticky'.

[TickTockChuck]

Sorry for the OPs loss of his watch, very traumatic I'm sure. Personally I think the pics were sufficient to ID the suspect.

Shouldn't this post be in the TRF "Watchout!!!" Section. I had a recent post about a Canadian envelope switcher moved there (didn't know about it at the time).

Face to face private sales of any high value item is something I wouldn't do, such is the world we live in.

Peace to all and be careful out there. Cheers.

[Modiferous]

As far as using pictures of rappers in his fake IDs, he did not do that for me or for the Patek he stole from the other RolexForums victim Metalmonster.

However, up until this point neither of the detectives I have been working with not in Northern Cal or Southern Cal noticed that the pics were of rappers, nor did I.

Maybe he puts the rapper pics on there because he is lazy and can't come up with anything better, maybe because he wants to weed out the ones who would notice that the pics are rappers! who knows?

I do note that he has managed to meet and steal from even established watch dealers with online websites so he is definitely pretty good at talking the talk.


He isn't as smart or organized as all that, would be victims who have communicated with him for longer than a week, have noticed that he suddenly changed his phone number (probably to try to stay one step ahead of "them") and has even forgotten what name he was using and started using a different name. This implies that he is working multiple prospects simultaneously. I think he has the greatest success with potential sellers who agree to meet him and do meet him quickly. In my case we went from contact on a Friday, conversations over a weekend, to meeting and getting robbed on a Tuesday.

Part of why he got me is that I had had a couple of prior recent sales where I had met the buyers in person and all had gone perfectly. This lulled me into assuming that this buyer, too, was okay. Also when I came to the store I arrived before he did, and I had the bag with the watch on the counter, not in my hands. Once I saw him, I started having doubts about whether I would even hand him the watch, he didn't look right to me. He sensed that, and during a moment when I was using my phone to call a different appraiser (the store we arrived in the appraiser was out on a family emergency), he leapt past me, grabbed the bag and ran.

And even then he wasn't a big guy at all, and I chased him and actually got hold of him (he punched my arm off his shoulder), but I still could have tackled him, but some guy that I believe was a spotter came out of nowhere and was trying to slow me down, and finally, I didn't know who else was around who might have swung a pipe across the back of my head while I was on top of the robber, so I slowed down a tad, and let him go. In that instant I decided that risking my safety or life wasn't worth the watch.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

As far as using pictures of rappers in his fake IDs, he did not do that for me or for the Patek he stole from the other RolexForums victim Metalmonster.

However, up until this point neither of the detectives I have been working with not in Northern Cal or Southern Cal noticed that the pics were of rappers, nor did I.

Maybe he puts the rapper pics on there because he is lazy and can't come up with anything better, maybe because he wants to weed out the ones who would notice that the pics are rappers! who knows?

I do note that he has managed to meet and steal from even established watch dealers with online websites so he is definitely pretty good at talking the talk.


He isn't as smart or organized as all that, would be victims who have communicated with him for longer than a week, have noticed that he suddenly changed his phone number (probably to try to stay one step ahead of "them") and has even forgotten what name he was using and started using a different name. This implies that he is working multiple prospects simultaneously. I think he has the greatest success with potential sellers who agree to meet him and do meet him quickly. In my case we went from contact on a Friday, conversations over a weekend, to meeting and getting robbed on a Tuesday.

Part of why he got me is that I had had a couple of prior recent sales where I had met the buyers in person and all had gone perfectly. This lulled me into assuming that this buyer, too, was okay. Also when I came to the store I arrived before he did, and I had the bag with the watch on the counter, not in my hands. Once I saw him, I started having doubts about whether I would even hand him the watch, he didn't look right to me. He sensed that, and during a moment when I was using my phone to call a different appraiser (the store we arrived in the appraiser was out on a family emergency), he leapt past me, grabbed the bag and ran.

And even then he wasn't a big guy at all, and I chased him and actually got hold of him (he punched my arm off his shoulder), but I still could have tackled him, but some guy that I believe was a spotter came out of nowhere and was trying to slow me down, and finally, I didn't know who else was around who might have swung a pipe across the back of my head while I was on top of the robber, so I slowed down a tad, and let him go. In that instant I decided that risking my safety or life wasn't worth the watch.

You did the right thing in pulling away, he most certainly had contingency back up if he was to be caught and it would not have been pretty for you, these are probably professional criminals spending as much time in jail as not.

[DC116710LN]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

As far as using pictures of rappers in his fake IDs, he did not do that for me or for the Patek he stole from the other RolexForums victim Metalmonster.

However, up until this point neither of the detectives I have been working with not in Northern Cal or Southern Cal noticed that the pics were of rappers, nor did I.

Maybe he puts the rapper pics on there because he is lazy and can't come up with anything better, maybe because he wants to weed out the ones who would notice that the pics are rappers! who knows?

I do note that he has managed to meet and steal from even established watch dealers with online websites so he is definitely pretty good at talking the talk.


He isn't as smart or organized as all that, would be victims who have communicated with him for longer than a week, have noticed that he suddenly changed his phone number (probably to try to stay one step ahead of "them") and has even forgotten what name he was using and started using a different name. This implies that he is working multiple prospects simultaneously. I think he has the greatest success with potential sellers who agree to meet him and do meet him quickly. In my case we went from contact on a Friday, conversations over a weekend, to meeting and getting robbed on a Tuesday.

Part of why he got me is that I had had a couple of prior recent sales where I had met the buyers in person and all had gone perfectly. This lulled me into assuming that this buyer, too, was okay. Also when I came to the store I arrived before he did, and I had the bag with the watch on the counter, not in my hands. Once I saw him, I started having doubts about whether I would even hand him the watch, he didn't look right to me. He sensed that, and during a moment when I was using my phone to call a different appraiser (the store we arrived in the appraiser was out on a family emergency), he leapt past me, grabbed the bag and ran.

And even then he wasn't a big guy at all, and I chased him and actually got hold of him (he punched my arm off his shoulder), but I still could have tackled him, but some guy that I believe was a spotter came out of nowhere and was trying to slow me down, and finally, I didn't know who else was around who might have swung a pipe across the back of my head while I was on top of the robber, so I slowed down a tad, and let him go. In that instant I decided that risking my safety or life wasn't worth the watch.

You made the right decision. The wife of a friend of mine tried to stop a robber from stealing her purse and was stabbed in the process. She survived thankfully, but no material possession is worth your life

[Rolex.Journey]

So sorry this happened to you and I hope you recover your watch someday. Thanks for the detailed post so others can be on the lookout.


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[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Henrimontgomery

As an European, this is very strange. Just say he’s an American citizen. Nobody here goes “the Franco-Greco dude”.

Describing what country a person is a citizen of is not of any value in identifying him physically. Race typically is.

It seems odd, but at this moment in history most federal, state and local police, as well as other government entities use use Black and African American interchangeably... along with white, Asian, Native/American Indian/Native Alaskan, Native Hawaiian. There are nuances and variations and sometimes other groups differentiated.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Cevap

Facial recognition lol where do you live lady, Robocop land?
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Unnecessary.


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[77T]

FRT is both used and misused. It's too soon to say it would help in the OPs case.

Consider this: to catch one robber using FRT, many more citizens' civil rights could be compromised under the 4th amendment. I don't have the right answer but I'm not looking for the government to own my "15 minutes of fame".

GAO has been pondering the future - https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-107372


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[2000-NJDEVILS]

To sum up this horrendous robbery - The late, great Ronnie James Dio said it best:
DON’T TALK TO STRANGERS, AS THEIR ONLY THERE TO DO YOU HARM…..

[Modiferous]

If you're willing to sell in person, then you must be willing to talk to people you don't know. And this goes for both private sellers and established watch dealers, with or without brick and mortar stores.

In other words, the "Don't talk to Strangers" advice might work for six year olds, not for watch sellers.

[Encepholopod]

Pretty damn audacious to be doing this, if they were doing this in Texas or FL i'm sure these POS's would never risk it, very very small feeble men do this.

[Modiferous]

Two of the forum usernames the Rolex Robber has been using for PMs trying to get California sellers to meet him in person.

Jl017
https://www.rolexforums.com/member.php?u=295671

Daytonaguy
https://www.rolexforums.com/member.php?u=295982

He starts off with forum PMs then tries to switch quickly to a text call, and voice, almost always using a TextNow (VOIP) number.