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23 April 2024, 07:41 AM | #31 |
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This is easily my favorite post from you all time Peter. I agree generally not into Dylan. Sounds like a really good subway performer at 2am lol
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I don't have an answer for you Peter, at least not in the way you posed the questions.
She does... I just have gratitude now for the time I spent then while singing those songs Bob Dylan wrote. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Right place, right time singing about stuff that resonated with people.
He read the room well.
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I idolize Dylan as a poet. My wife says he can’t sing. We him live before covid. He can’t sing, great band.
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I really like some of his songs back in the day. Not much of a fan of the later stuff.
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It’s similar to The Smiths. There’s an equal amount of people that are in awe of the lyrics, the poetry, the sadness in the words backed up by one of the most underrated guitarists ever. Mr Johnny Marr.
The same amount of people can’t stand to hear that moaning, depresssing voice whining about his Girl being in a coma. What a great song by the way!!’ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Dylan writes great lyrics. Some say he can’t sing while others love it.
Seen him a few times and he reconfigures all his songs to sound different than his recordings, really amazing musicianship - plus his band is always top notch. If you can, give Infidels a listen…. |
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In my youth - '70s - Dylan was always there - always revered.
Never in my 'Top Ten' favourite artists, but always respected for the quality/imagination/innovation of his lyrics - and melodies. Voice not so much. First Dylan album I bought was a 'best of' and on the basis of that I bought another 15 or so albums over the years. Dylan is - to me - one of those artists (like Bowie) that will often have only one or two really good songs on an album. Contrast that with Billy Joel where ALL the songs will be great. Dylan is a bit like Springsteen in that respect. There is no denying however, that regardless of a large number of mediocre songs and a crap voice, Dylan is one of the Great singer-songwriters - up there with Paul McCartney, Billy Joel, Elton John, Ian Anderson, Don Henley and a small number of others from all eras.
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I've never felt the need to spend countless hours trying to understand why people like something that I don't like, or insist they explain themselves to me. Seems like a colossal waste of time.
I like olives, my brother does not like olives. I don't want him to buy 35 different types and learn to like them. He doesn't suggest I only like them because they are trendy. The internet is full of "hot takes" and "edgy", "I don't get it" opinions about Dylan. It's tedious. |
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I love music and like Dylan, but after seeing him live a number of times I’ve just grown to not care for him much anymore. He just seems indifferent to his fans and performing for people who pay a lot of money to see him. He’s made some epic, important music and deserves the status he has.
Another musician who is criticized for his voice, as overrated, etc, is Neil Young, and he’s possibly my favorite musician. I connect with his music in a way I cannot with Dylan’s. |
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There are much better singers acoustically, but you could say that about David Byrne and Remain in Light is still arguably one of the most influential American albums made I suppose that I think about them the same way. |
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A funny story from a few years ago was Dylan being detained by police who thought he was a bit off and wandering the streets.
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jersey-ho...ory?id=8331830
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Thanks, but no thanks. I'm fine.
I just think it's odd to ask...almost demand...that strangers on the internet convince you to like something that you don't like or explain to them why you like it. People love, love, love the date window cyclops. I think it's an eyesore but I don't insist they owe me an explanation. Maybe go hug yourself. |
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It’s hard to write about the specific qualities of a voice, which is why so much music criticism avoids it and takes a literary-criticism (songwriting/lyrics) or sociological (social impact) focus instead.
Most likely, no explanation about ‘why Dylan?’ will do what the songs don’t do for a particular listener. This is especially the case with a singer like Dylan, whose technical limitations are just as salient as the qualities some others love: a polarising expressiveness and willingness to experiment with rhythm and phrasing, and not just words and personae. Leaving aside his songwriting and impact as an artist, which are obviously significant, he always seems to sound like he looks and acts: alternately ironical, angry and earnest, impossible to pin down, cool and defensive in Wayfarers, and penetratingly smart but more like a Shakespearean fool than the Bard himself. He either moves you or he doesn’t. He contains multitudes. |
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zengineer - It's called a 'discussion' or 'conversation. It's entertaining.
A lot of interaction between humans involves attitudes, opinions, personal preference. This is what 'Other Topics' sections of Forums is about. I enjoy hearing what other people think about things. Sometimes it even changes my own opinion.
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To Peter. With a net worth of over $500 million, Bob doesn’t have to sing anymore. This should make you feel better?
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Starting a discussion that isn’t offensive is becoming a rare art. Peter is simply opening a door. The discussion has been civil. Why someone has to criticize the OP in public is beyond me. It’s neither polite nor justified to condemn in public, which I do here since that doesn’t seem to matter to you. |
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I think for people that grew up in the 50's and 60's, Dylan was a bridge between Folk music Rock music, and the Beatnik poets. While his voice was grating, his poetry, mixed with a social conscience, struck a nerve during the turbulent times of Vietnam, racial discord, and the widening gap of a more conservative older generation with their ever growing liberal minded youth. In fact, to some degree, his voice, rhythm and cadence weirdly brought some of the song's messages through like a slap to society's face, which to some degree they were. I find today, he is harder to listen to, because I no longer have the backdrop of Nam, Selma, Watts, flashing thru my head as I listen. He deserves the reverence he's gotten thru the years.
By the way, i saw him live twice, once around 1979-80, and once around 2002. Hugely disappointed each time. |
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Kind of almost by accident, I bought an album (the name escapes me at the moment) by a guy covering Burt Bacharach songs... he's actually a producer, not a performer, has a horrible gravely voice. It's not the voice really, it's the phrasing, the nuances, and of course the songs, orchestrations, etc. This is my professional music background and education talking I guess. It's about so much more than the voice. Tay-tay does not have a great voice, it's kind of thin and there's not much there, but she's a good writer, an excellent performer and a superlative marketing genius, IMHO.
So, back on point: there are a lot of revered artists out there that I just don't get. Dylan is one. Miles Davis, obviously very influential and revered, I don't care for at all. I've been watching a Netflix/Prime/whatever show on Wayne Shorter who I first discovered as part of Weather Report (which had the incomparable Jaco) and I recognize his genius but don't really care for much of his stuff... Then you've got someone who is the epitome of campy, vanilla pop music, Mr. Barry Manilow himself, and I can listen to that stuff all day. Go figure. At the Copa, Copa Cabana. Music and passion... come on boys, sing it with me!
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I liked Barry Manilow as well but now would porbably find it rather campy. How about Neil Diamond??? A guilty pleasure or a great artist?? I've seen them singing Sweet Caroline during time-outs during hockey games lately.
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