Porsche just another BMW Audi Mercedes Volvo, now.

[SDGT3]

A good blast through the canyons and/or mountain roads is nice, especially if with your significant other as you can get a feel for the car of choice. I'm not a fan of pushing too hard on public roads and neither is my wife for many reasons that's why going to the track is where one can really press the limits by going 10/10ths. Who doesn't love the smell of brake pads in the morning?

[nick800]

I'm very happy with my new M3 and I've had a few 911's.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Who wouldn’t want that car?

I pulled up to the Casino du Monte Carlo around 1975 in a Chevelle SS with a 454 big block rumble and every other rich was shamed with the pics being taken of my car and the patches and donuts I dropped around Rasse Casse corner on GP weekend.

Iykyk

[SSGMT1]

I have an 85 Targa and can honestly say driving back roads is one of life’s great pleasures. There is nothing like driving on a curvy back road with the top off on a sunny day with your favorite tunes playing. I’ve done a couple PCA events and taken it to an Autocross as well. Great way to test your skills in a controlled environment. Personally I do think the Porsche SUV’s are not “special” as there are tons in my area but the Caymens and 911’s are much fewer. That being said, I got to drive my friends Macan and was super impressed with how it handled and the acceleration.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

I had an '89 911 and did annual PCA driver's eds. Really fun and really showed what the car could do and how rock solid it was. Easy to drive to and from and on the track. I now have a 991 Cab, and while I don't really want to do track events anymore, and a Cab is not a great choice for it anyway, it does make cruises way more fun. I think it's a perfect street car. Not that it wouldn't be fun at the track, but it isn't fully necessary to appreciate it. My opinion...

Agreed.

And to each their own.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by nick800

I'm very happy with my new M3 and I've had a few 911's.

M3 is a very nice car. Congrats.

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by superdog

M3 is a very nice car. Congrats.

I traded my E46 M3 in on the 991 Cab. TBH, I always wanted an M3 (starting with the E36), but when I owned one, I liked it but didn't really love it. Like 911s, they have come a long way since 2004, but mine was just a bit sterile in feel. Fun, but not as special as I had hoped.

[Krash]

Maybe it’s just me, but I’d rather have a silver Porsche 911 Turbo S than a red Ferrari 296 GTB or a lime green Lamborghini Huracan. Don’t get me wrong, I’d actually love to have all 3, but honestly, I think I’d prefer the Porsche. It’s just more practical, less ostentatious, and probably a lot more reliable too.


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[SDGT3]

This one is for Chewy as it’s exclusive enough

Meet the Ferrari KC23, the encapsulation of a vision that goes beyond limits.
Designed for non-competitive track use, it showcases ground-breaking aerodynamics, motorised vents, and an imposing rear wing.
This #FerrariOneOff unique model, based on the triumphant Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo 2020, can be configured for two uses; this reveals its elegance and formal purity on the one hand, and its signature Ferrari sporty racing character on the other.
The design philosophy integrates glass surfaces seamlessly with the bodywork, enhancing the aesthetic appeal and creating a clearly aeronautics-derived dome effect.
With its monolithic beauty and captivating Gold Mercury livery, the #FerrariKC23 is a one-of-a-kind masterpiece that embodies the essence of exclusivity.
#Ferrari

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

This one is for Chewy as it’s exclusive enough

Meet the Ferrari KC23, the encapsulation of a vision that goes beyond limits.
Designed for non-competitive track use, it showcases ground-breaking aerodynamics, motorised vents, and an imposing rear wing.
This #FerrariOneOff unique model, based on the triumphant Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo 2020, can be configured for two uses; this reveals its elegance and formal purity on the one hand, and its signature Ferrari sporty racing character on the other.
The design philosophy integrates glass surfaces seamlessly with the bodywork, enhancing the aesthetic appeal and creating a clearly aeronautics-derived dome effect.
With its monolithic beauty and captivating Gold Mercury livery, the #FerrariKC23 is a one-of-a-kind masterpiece that embodies the essence of exclusivity.
#Ferrari

Nice corvette

[subtona]

Originally Posted by superdog

I am pretty much of the camp that 911’s just look great. I kid you not. New. Old. I love them all from the most basic version to the top tier. I just love the way they look.

I second.

It has been my ultimate dream car since I was a kid and I don’t have eyes for any other.

Aesthetically I’m drawn to the older models like a 5 digit sub.
The simpler and cleaner the better for me. Looking forward to finally taking an opportunity to drive one after decades of appreciating them.

[ButtButt]

I just ordered a GT3 and I don't think it would bother me if every other car on the road was a Porsche. All I care about is the way it looks and the way it drives/feels/the noises it makes. It's the car I've always wanted and I finally made the dream come true. While people had Ferrari/Lambo posters on their walls growing up, I had 911s.

It's going to be my first Porsche and I'm planning to daily drive it everywhere. I can't wait.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

I just ordered a GT3 and I don't think it would not bother me if every other car on the road was a Porsche. All I care about is the way it looks and the way it drives/feels/the noises it makes. It's the car I've always wanted and I finally made the dream come true. While people had Ferraris/Lambo posters on their walls growing up, I had 911s.

It going to be my first Porsche and I'm planning to daily drive it everywhere. I can't wait.

it is funny you say that. and of course, I agree. but I remember as a kid my buddy had a poster on his wall that said "justification for a higher education".

in the garage was a Lambo and Ferrari and a Porsche.

There has always been Porsche appreciation. 911's are an iconic car. they are just a sports car, not an exotic car.

but imho, they are the best sports car ever. for looks and performance. I do not have a 911 right now. but I do have a Cayenne Turbo GT. sadly, I will not have a 911 for some time, as I am not taking my turbo s. allocation.

but they will always be my favorite. and I will absolutely get another one someday. likely sooner than later.

[ButtButt]

Originally Posted by superdog

it is funny you say that. and of course, I agree. but I remember as a kid my buddy had a poster on his wall that said "justification for a higher education".

in the garage was a Lambo and Ferrari and a Porsche.

There has always been Porsche appreciation. 911's are an iconic car. they are just a sports car, not an exotic car.

but imho, they are the best sports car ever. for looks and performance. I do not have a 911 right now. but I do have a Cayenne Turbo GT. sadly, I will not have a 911 for some time, as I am not taking my turbo s. allocation.

but they will always be my favorite. and I will absolutely get another one someday. likely sooner than later.

There is just something about that shape/body style that does it for me. It's so nice to look at from every angle (especially that wide rear end) and never gets old. While I like a lot of other cars, there are some generations I hate and some I love. When it comes to 911s I love them all.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

There is just something about that shape/body style that does it for me. It's so nice to look at from every angle (especially that wide rear end) and never gets old. While I like a lot of other cars, there are some generations I hate and some I love. When it comes to 911s I love them all.

yep. every one.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

This one is for Chewy as it’s exclusive enough

Meet the Ferrari KC23, the encapsulation of a vision that goes beyond limits.
Designed for non-competitive track use, it showcases ground-breaking aerodynamics, motorised vents, and an imposing rear wing.
This #FerrariOneOff unique model, based on the triumphant Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo 2020, can be configured for two uses; this reveals its elegance and formal purity on the one hand, and its signature Ferrari sporty racing character on the other.
The design philosophy integrates glass surfaces seamlessly with the bodywork, enhancing the aesthetic appeal and creating a clearly aeronautics-derived dome effect.
With its monolithic beauty and captivating Gold Mercury livery, the #FerrariKC23 is a one-of-a-kind masterpiece that embodies the essence of exclusivity.
#Ferrari

It’s OK I guess.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

This one is for Chewy as it’s exclusive enough

Meet the Ferrari KC23, the encapsulation of a vision that goes beyond limits.
Designed for non-competitive track use, it showcases ground-breaking aerodynamics, motorised vents, and an imposing rear wing.
This #FerrariOneOff unique model, based on the triumphant Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo 2020, can be configured for two uses; this reveals its elegance and formal purity on the one hand, and its signature Ferrari sporty racing character on the other.
The design philosophy integrates glass surfaces seamlessly with the bodywork, enhancing the aesthetic appeal and creating a clearly aeronautics-derived dome effect.
With its monolithic beauty and captivating Gold Mercury livery, the #FerrariKC23 is a one-of-a-kind masterpiece that embodies the essence of exclusivity.
#Ferrari

I would love to read through the owners manual.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Andad

I would love to read through the owners manual.

Have Italian car repair manuals gotten any better?

Back in the 1980s the Porsche procedures for service and repair were precise and accurate, whereas Ferrari's were more, well, you know, somewhat a bit vague, with a tiny blurry photo (if you were lucky!).

[996marty]

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After owning a couple of 911’s they for me are perfect. Both in air cooled and the slightly later water cooled versions. And I’d have my 964 in a heartbeat

[996marty]

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For me the 911’s are perfect and miss my 964 massively

[shedlock2000]

The classics are top banana, but the more modern ones have lost the love somehow. I get that they’re better cars, but they stopped being special.

I’d buy an Aston Martin instead of any on your list, given the (only moderate) price differential — hell, id sooner by a slightly loved Aston for the same price as a new 911; at least it’d be pretty.


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[superdog]

Originally Posted by shedlock2000

The classics are top banana, but the more modern ones have lost the love somehow. I get that they’re better cars, but they stopped being special.

I’d buy an Aston Martin instead of any on your list, given the (only moderate) price differential — hell, id sooner by a slightly loved Aston for the same price as a new 911; at least it’d be pretty.


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A slightly loved Aston would be half the price. They tank in value.

It’s interesting though, and I’m an Aston lover too.

But it’s interesting because Aston had certainly remained more exclusive through manufacturing less cars. That’s for sure. But they tank in value because most folks simply don’t want them. I’d guess it’s because the performance isn’t even comparable to a 911.

You could buy a very nice V8 Vantage for just over 100k. Ive thought about it many times. And I’ll likely get one someday. But really your just getting an AMG anyway.

Had a DBS once. A beautiful car. But I just didn’t love it.

[shedlock2000]

Originally Posted by superdog

A slightly loved Aston would be half the price. They tank in value.

It’s interesting though, and I’m an Aston lover too.

But it’s interesting because Aston had certainly remained more exclusive through manufacturing less cars. That’s for sure. But they tank in value because most folks simply don’t want them. I’d guess it’s because the performance isn’t even comparable to a 911.

You could buy a very nice V8 Vantage for just over 100k. Ive thought about it many times. And I’ll likely get one someday. But really your just getting an AMG anyway.

Had a DBS once. A beautiful car. But I just didn’t love it.

I owned a V8 vantage back in the late ‘90s (it was interesting to see it rolled out again in the recent bond movie). It wasn’t particularly nice on the outside and quite dated on the inside — and, as you say, not terribly special in terms of performance either.

However, I’d sooner have one of those than a 911 or AMG; there’s something remarkable about them, they still have a soul that these later things are missing (and that ‘70s and ‘80s Porsches had).

I’m surprised to hear about your experience with the DBS — what didn’t you love? I felt the same way about my Vette.


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[BraveBold]

Modern Astons (up to at least 2010) just lacked the driving dynamics you get in a 911.

I think some of the newer models may have improved somewhat … but not comparable cars up to 2010 - and the market pricing speaks to that.

[PT_91]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

I just ordered a GT3 and I don't think it would bother me if every other car on the road was a Porsche. All I care about is the way it looks and the way it drives/feels/the noises it makes. It's the car I've always wanted and I finally made the dream come true. While people had Ferrari/Lambo posters on their walls growing up, I had 911s.

It's going to be my first Porsche and I'm planning to daily drive it everywhere. I can't wait.

Sounds awesome! Might share a little bit more reg. the configuration? Hope you won't have to wait too long!

[Moondoggy]

I like my Citroen 2CV. Any fans.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by shedlock2000

I owned a V8 vantage back in the late ‘90s (it was interesting to see it rolled out again in the recent bond movie). It wasn’t particularly nice on the outside and quite dated on the inside — and, as you say, not terribly special in terms of performance either.

However, I’d sooner have one of those than a 911 or AMG; there’s something remarkable about them, they still have a soul that these later things are missing (and that ‘70s and ‘80s Porsches had).

I’m surprised to hear about your experience with the DBS — what didn’t you love? I felt the same way about my Vette.


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hard to compare Aston and Porsche. One is known for great engineering. The other is not.

I cannot speak to how anyone feels a car has a soul. A buddy with a GT3RS (yes tracks it like crazy) told me I would hate the Turbo S. It was too perfect, and had no soul.

To date, the Turbo S is my favorite car. I do very much enjoy the sound of an NA engine though. I think ideally, a good sound with all the bells and whistles is perfect.

I think I would love a 992 GT3, but they do not come with surround view or lane change assist. While you dont need that for the track, and I would track it, it would spend most of its life on regular roads, and I like that stuff.

I love my R8, but it has none of that. So maybe I would be fine. In Porsche, I think it is more important that a more exotic style of car.

Anyway, I just found the DBS disappointing. It was just blah in every way. The interior, the V12, the performance. It did nothing for me. For the price, it should be special. It was not. Although, the lines were very pretty.

The newer Vantage I think looks super. But again, an AMG engine, so might just make more sense to get an AMG. But I really do like them, and they can be had at a steal. I will likely get one someday. But not anytime too soon.

[Chiboy]

I've never owned an Aston, but a friend had one. I think it needed a $5,000 clutch before the odometer hit five digits. He certainly knows how to drive a manual car, but perhaps the first owner didn't. Anyway, one difference in the ownership experience between Astons and 911s is that one gets really, really expensive to maintain and one is pretty bulletproof. I imagine that impacts resale value, just the way it seems to for Maserati's.

Not trying to talk anyone into or out of any car. Just my opinion.

[shedlock2000]

Originally Posted by superdog

hard to compare Aston and Porsche. One is known for great engineering. The other is not.

I cannot speak to how anyone feels a car has a soul. A buddy with a GT3RS (yes tracks it like crazy) told me I would hate the Turbo S. It was too perfect, and had no soul.

To date, the Turbo S is my favorite car. I do very much enjoy the sound of an NA engine though. I think ideally, a good sound with all the bells and whistles is perfect.

I think I would love a 992 GT3, but they do not come with surround view or lane change assist. While you dont need that for the track, and I would track it, it would spend most of its life on regular roads, and I like that stuff.

I love my R8, but it has none of that. So maybe I would be fine. In Porsche, I think it is more important that a more exotic style of car.

Anyway, I just found the DBS disappointing. It was just blah in every way. The interior, the V12, the performance. It did nothing for me. For the price, it should be special. It was not. Although, the lines were very pretty.

The newer Vantage I think looks super. But again, an AMG engine, so might just make more sense to get an AMG. But I really do like them, and they can be had at a steal. I will likely get one someday. But not anytime too soon.

I think it’s interesting how people bond with different vehicles — I’ve never liked Japanese vehicles, for instance. I find older Porsches to be quite characterful but new ones to be a bit sterile. I get the same feeling from Audi (though they’re far less than reliable).

I’m with you on the tech too, these things spend most of their life on suburban streets and highways, so the toys are handy.

I must admit, the interior in my ‘80s vantage was a bit beige (but of it’s time, I suppose). I’d definitely have an old 911, but if I wanted a newer vehicle of that ilk, it’d probably be an Aston (despite the reliability issues )


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[enjoythemusic]

Great points Steve!

Imho vintage cars have a mechanical 'purity' of feel and handling (and sound) today's xBox-on-wheels may lack. The engagement of the clutch, the feel of the gears through the gated shifter, muscling the steering wheel at slow speeds.... and the faint scent of oil and well-worn leather....