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marcello pisani · 20 July 2011, 07:53 PM

1) mk1 ( 5 lines floating ) : R and early L series ( inverted 6 )

2) mk2 ( 4 lines ) : L series up to around 500.000 ( inverted 6 )

3) mk3 : ( 5 lines ) : from L 500.000 up to around S 500/600.000 ( inv.6 )

4) mk4 : ( 5 lines ) : same range as mk3 ( inverted 6 )

5) mk5 and mk 6 : from around middle/high S up to A series ( standard 6 )

a big thank to the italian collector PINO who has done the deepest studies ever made about the 16520 and the present tablet.

cruvon · 20 July 2011, 07:56 PM

Thanks Marcello, that's impressive:)

SteelerFan65 · 20 July 2011, 08:01 PM

Very good MP! Thanks for sharing with us as always...

mike · 20 July 2011, 09:07 PM

Sticky for permanent record. Thank you so much my friend.

dddrees · 20 July 2011, 09:30 PM

Now I understand what floating means. Thanks for sharing, great info.

SteelerFan65 · 20 July 2011, 10:20 PM

Here is one for the post: Earliest R series Mk1 Porcelain floater with early Mk1 200/50 Bezel. One of only supposed 50 made in SS model and the only 16520 in my collection. This one was bought from Quinson Leung and comes as part of a complete set in pristine condition...

dddrees · 20 July 2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Here is one for the post: Earliest Mk1 Porcelain floater...One of only supposed 50 made in SS model and the only 16520 in my collection. This one was bought from Quinson Leung and comes as part of a complete set in pristine condition...

Gorgeous looking watch Ken.

SteelerFan65 · 20 July 2011, 10:25 PM

Thanks Dan!!

Frogman4me · 20 July 2011, 10:32 PM

Great sticky Marcello! Ken that SS porcelain is spectacular, congrats on such a rare and beautiful piece. Cheers

SteelerFan65 · 20 July 2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

Great sticky Marcello! Ken that SS porcelain is spectacular, congrats on such a rare and beautiful piece. Cheers

Thanks David! Definite great post from Marcello! We are fortunate to have him with us here!

Pino. · 20 July 2011, 11:50 PM

Marcello thanks

SteelerFan65 · 20 July 2011, 11:57 PM

Welcome to TRF Pino and great shots of a great dial!

Pino. · 20 July 2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Welcome to TRF Pino and great shots of a great dial!

3D Dial commonly called Porcelain for 16528

Felix.H · 21 July 2011, 12:15 AM

Great post,...

Jagatai · 21 July 2011, 12:36 AM

AMAZING! Thank you for this.

Yazo · 21 July 2011, 06:32 AM

Awesome info!!

Michael M. · 21 July 2011, 06:47 AM

Exceptional post Marcello!

onkyo · 21 July 2011, 07:04 AM

Thanks MP for posting this valuable information.

skyedog · 21 July 2011, 07:19 AM

Thank you for sharing!!

so... this is a Mark V

Michael M. · 22 August 2011, 10:19 AM

Very nice Skyedog!

Submarino · 23 August 2011, 03:55 AM

Great info. Thanks for sharing. Grazie caro amico!

cruvon · 29 August 2011, 12:11 PM

just wondering how these dials can be categorized in terms of rarity from starting from production start 1987?-1998?. Would it be right to say that the MK1 is the rarest and MK6 the least in terms of watch numbers/unique dial characteristics or are there some in-between that don't go in that order? On a whole, would this ref 16520 be considered quite rare amongst the other Daytonas and did they all have the Zenith movement?

marcello pisani · 30 August 2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cruvon

just wondering how these dials can be categorized in terms of rarity from starting from production start 1987?-1998?. Would it be right to say that the MK1 is the rarest and MK6 the least in terms of watch numbers/unique dial characteristics or are there some in-between that don't go in that order? On a whole, would this ref 16520 be considered quite rare amongst the other Daytonas and did they all have the Zenith movement?

how many questions !!
as a matter of rarity ( steel model only ) my ranking is the following :
1) porcelain ( aka "porky" ) dial mk1 (5 lines-floating ) on R cases only ;
2) black or white ( non "porky" ) mk1
3) black or white mk2 ( 4 lines ).
4) 5 lines with inverted "6" ( mk3 and mk4 ).
about the other marks .. a production estimate is not easy.

cruvon · 30 August 2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by marcello pisani

how many questions !!
as a matter of rarity ( steel model only ) my ranking is the following :
1) porcelain ( aka "porky" ) dial mk1 (5 lines-floating ) on R cases only ;
2) black or white ( non "porky" ) mk1
3) black or white mk2 ( 4 lines ).
4) 5 lines with inverted "6" ( mk3 and mk4 ).
about the other marks .. a production estimate is not easy.

Thanks Marcello, that's very informative, much appreciated. Sorry, realized every sentence of mine was a question:).

Cosmographer · 31 August 2011, 11:12 PM

Thanks for sharing, I was unaware that there were so many different dials, the spacing changes other than the floating Cosmograph are very subtle. thanks again,
Cos

marcello pisani · 2 September 2011, 12:12 AM

many thanks guys !
in the next days I will prepare an "upgrade" .. so stay tuned !!!

yessir69 · 2 September 2011, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcello pisani

how many questions !!
as a matter of rarity ( steel model only ) my ranking is the following :
1) porcelain ( aka "porky" ) dial mk1 (5 lines-floating ) on R cases only ;
2) black or white ( non "porky" ) mk1
3) black or white mk2 ( 4 lines ).
4) 5 lines with inverted "6" ( mk3 and mk4 ).
about the other marks .. a production estimate is not easy.

Hello all. Is there a Mark I non-porcelain white face? I thought all the Mark I (r serial#s) had the porcelain face.

SteelerFan65 · 2 September 2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by yessir69

Hello all. Is there a Mark I non-porcelain white face? I thought all the Mark I (r serial#s) had the porcelain face.

The first 50 of the SS were porcelain and then they switched making the porcelain like yours quite rare!

yessir69 · 2 September 2011, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

The first 50 of the SS were porcelain and then they switched making the porcelain like yours quite rare!

Thanks! We're in love...

SteelerFan65 · 2 September 2011, 12:55 AM

Excellent!! PS- it was likely due to higher costs that they changed dial.

20 July 2011, 07:53 PM	#1
marcello pisani "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: italy Posts: 409	different tritium dials for 16520 1) mk1 ( 5 lines floating ) : R and early L series ( inverted 6 ) 2) mk2 ( 4 lines ) : L series up to around 500.000 ( inverted 6 ) 3) mk3 : ( 5 lines ) : from L 500.000 up to around S 500/600.000 ( inv.6 ) 4) mk4 : ( 5 lines ) : same range as mk3 ( inverted 6 ) 5) mk5 and mk 6 : from around middle/high S up to A series ( standard 6 ) a big thank to the italian collector PINO who has done the deepest studies ever made about the 16520 and the present tablet. Last edited by SteelerFan65; 21 July 2011 at 01:42 AM..

20 July 2011, 08:01 PM	#3
SteelerFan65 Moderator & 2013 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Connor MacLeod Location: Glenfinnan Watch: Yes Posts: 29,527	Very good MP! Thanks for sharing with us as always... __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

20 July 2011, 09:30 PM	#5
dddrees 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 27,184	Now I understand what floating means. Thanks for sharing, great info. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

20 July 2011, 10:20 PM	#6
SteelerFan65 Moderator & 2013 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Connor MacLeod Location: Glenfinnan Watch: Yes Posts: 29,527	Here is one for the post: Earliest R series Mk1 Porcelain floater with early Mk1 200/50 Bezel. One of only supposed 50 made in SS model and the only 16520 in my collection. This one was bought from Quinson Leung and comes as part of a complete set in pristine condition... __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

20 July 2011, 10:25 PM	#8
SteelerFan65 Moderator & 2013 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Connor MacLeod Location: Glenfinnan Watch: Yes Posts: 29,527	Thanks Dan!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

20 July 2011, 07:56 PM	#2
cruvon 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 3,427	Thanks Marcello, that's impressive:)

20 July 2011, 09:07 PM	#4
mike Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 19,822	Sticky for permanent record. Thank you so much my friend.

20 July 2011, 10:32 PM	#9
Frogman4me 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: David Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 4,804	Great sticky Marcello! Ken that SS porcelain is spectacular, congrats on such a rare and beautiful piece. Cheers __________________ I prefer lug holes

20 July 2011, 11:50 PM	#11
Pino. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Italy Posts: 2	Marcello thanks

20 July 2011, 11:57 PM	#12
SteelerFan65 Moderator & 2013 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Connor MacLeod Location: Glenfinnan Watch: Yes Posts: 29,527	Welcome to TRF Pino and great shots of a great dial! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

21 July 2011, 12:15 AM	#14
Felix.H "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Felix Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolexes, APs, Pams Posts: 204	Great post,...

21 July 2011, 12:36 AM	#15
Jagatai "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Philip Location: NY Posts: 851	AMAZING! Thank you for this.

21 July 2011, 06:32 AM	#16
Yazo 2011 Platty Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Columbia MD Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,714	Awesome info!!

21 July 2011, 06:47 AM	#17
Michael M. 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Michael Morgan Location: California Watch: MilSub Posts: 6,048	Exceptional post Marcello! __________________ "Men who guide the destinies of the world wear rolex watches" (Rolex ad circa 1965)

21 July 2011, 07:04 AM	#18
onkyo 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Brooklyn Posts: 11,167	Thanks MP for posting this valuable information.

22 August 2011, 10:19 AM	#20
Michael M. 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Michael Morgan Location: California Watch: MilSub Posts: 6,048	Very nice Skyedog! __________________ "Men who guide the destinies of the world wear rolex watches" (Rolex ad circa 1965)

23 August 2011, 03:55 AM	#21
Submarino 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Around the World Watch: All of them! Posts: 6,347	Great info. Thanks for sharing. Grazie caro amico! __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER

29 August 2011, 12:11 PM	#22
cruvon 2013 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 3,427	just wondering how these dials can be categorized in terms of rarity from starting from production start 1987?-1998?. Would it be right to say that the MK1 is the rarest and MK6 the least in terms of watch numbers/unique dial characteristics or are there some in-between that don't go in that order? On a whole, would this ref 16520 be considered quite rare amongst the other Daytonas and did they all have the Zenith movement? __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

31 August 2011, 11:12 PM	#25
Cosmographer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Bret Location: IL Watch: Daytona SS 1988 Posts: 86	Thanks for sharing, I was unaware that there were so many different dials, the spacing changes other than the floating Cosmograph are very subtle. thanks again, Cos

2 September 2011, 12:12 AM	#26
marcello pisani "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: italy Posts: 409	many thanks guys ! in the next days I will prepare an "upgrade" .. so stay tuned !!!

2 September 2011, 12:55 AM	#30
SteelerFan65 Moderator & 2013 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Connor MacLeod Location: Glenfinnan Watch: Yes Posts: 29,527	Excellent!! PS- it was likely due to higher costs that they changed dial. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

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