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The Amateur Watchmakers Corner... Volume I
This small corner I have reserved for some interesting "how-to" or other minor articals and "Larry's Tips" about our time-pieces.
If you have an interesting, original, piece to include, pm me as it is locked so members don't have to weed through many posts to get their tips. If you have a contribution to "Larry's Tips", pm me too and I will put it into proper format and give you a contribution credit. Volume II can be found here: Volume II POST INDEX: 2. Let's Take Out A Link 3. Larry's Tip #1 - Bracelet Scratch Touch-Up. 4. YM...Platinum or Not 5. Larry's Tip #2 - Links..Hollow or Solid, Can You Tell 6. A Daytona Clasp On A Yachtmaster (By Jocke) 7. Co-axial...A Short Primer. 8. Larry's Tip #3 - Clasp adjustment... Friction and Flip Lock snap 9. Larry's Tip #4 - Sapphire Crystal been replaced ? ...How to tell 10. The Full Balance Bridge...A Rolex Signature. 11. Does the SEL bracelet fit a 14060M Sub ? 12. Jewels ? Why 31 in a Rolex.... 13. Jockes Bracelet Removal...
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Let's Take Out A Link !!
It seems like more and more, folks need to take a link or two out of their Rolex bracelet..... So, let's do it....
I'll use my 4 year old Explorer II for this, but any Rolex is about the same. First we need to gather up a few tools... ![]() I think we have too many....Probably only a decent screwdriver and a toothpick for this job. First lets take the bracelet out of the clasp and make it easier to work with: We can use either a punch, like the one pictured, or a toothpick. I'll use the toothpick and push the pin out of the hole where the yellow one is pointing: ![]() With the pin pushed, we can lean the bracelet pin end to the outside of the clasp and, holding our finger over it so it won't fly across the room, pull it clear of the clasp and out of the bracelet tube: ![]() With the bracelet where we can work on it easily, we need to choose the right screwdriver. Here we have a 1.2mm, 1.4mm and a 1.6mm blade precision screwdriver selection. ![]() It's pretty clear that the 1.2 is too small, but the 1.4 might do in a pinch, however, the 1.6 is perfect and has a more sturdy handle. For this a sturdy, properly fitting tool, is a safeguard against slipping or damage: ![]() It is not difficult to unscrew the pins. ensure you are holding everything square. Hold the bracelet firmly in one hand and slowly turn the screwdriver and the pin should unscrew nicely. If you are careful and take your time you should not have to force anything: ![]() With the pin out you can see the loctite used on the threaded end and also some residue in the threaded hole: ![]() Keep in mind that this is not a blind hole, so any residue inside that is disturbed may push through and is unlikely to impact the screws ability to seat properly. Personally I don't think you need to do anything, but if you choose to use loctite on the threads, use the proper watchmakers type (Loctite 221), and clean both male and female threads thoroughly: ![]() Repeat this for as many Links as you need to remove and reverse the procedure to re-install the pins. They should screw back in easily, without force, and when you are done there should not be any tell-tale marks: ![]() To re-install the clasp pin, insert it in the tube and lay it with the bottom end in the desired hole. this gives you a protruding pin against the clasp that can be pressed down with the screwdriver or any stiff non-metallic blade if scratches are a concern. Once you have the pin compressed and inside the clasp, you can slide it around a bit to seat it in the proper hole: ![]() And, we're ready to give the watch a wash and rubdown with a good lint-free cloth and nobody will ever know about it's recent operation:
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Larry's Tip #1... Bracelet Scratch Touch-up..
Frequently we get a few unsightly scratches on the bracelet of our brushed finish Rolex watch. This is one of mine after a few years of active wearing. You can see that it gets some light scratches and scrapes.
![]() Let's take care of them. First, some tools: ![]() Probably only the toothpick and the green 3M Scothbrite pad will be used. Take the toothpick and press in on the pin in the clasp holding the bracelet together. Take out the pin and lay the bracelet flat. ![]() Working along the length of the bracelet with no more than light finger pressure, give the bracelet 4 or 5 long strokes. ![]() This is how it should look: ![]() You are now ready to do a few more minor touch-ups if necessary or to put the bracelet back together. Keep in mind, you are re-aligning the structure of the metal and with that some is removed, although very slighty with the 3M Pad. If you have deep scratches or gouges, I would recommend that you leave those for when you get your watch serviced. Do NOT do this with POLISHED LINKS unless you want them to have a brushed finish:
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YM...Platinum...or Not ??
There's always some discussion on if parts on the Yachtmaster are Platinum...or just plated.
With Jocke's help....Let's find out: Photography by Jocke First, we're going to need some tools. A knife and some tape should do it: oh.....and a Yachtmaster (I don't have one...let's use Jockes). ![]() Let's tape up the watch case to help prevent scratches and choose a suitable blade for the job: ![]() Carefully working around the perimeter of the case: ![]() Until it pops off. Careful of that click spring....we'll need it after we're done:: ![]() Taking a close look at the Bezel, we can see it is in two parts with the insert on the left and the bezel to the right, Rolex informs Jocke that it can only be separated at the RSC during refurbishment, so no insert changes for this baby: ![]() Checking the backside of the bezel we do not find any halmarks, so this piece is unclear; is it platinum, or not ? Rolex says that both pieces are machined from solid platinum... ![]() Let's do a weight check: Hmmm...10 grams ![]() Compared to the Sub bezel at 4 grams....without doing the math and conversion, I would say the YM is heavier Platinum: ![]() Well, we've gone this far...What say we go all the way.....OK ! ![]() Let's first pull the wings.....I mean hands of this beauty: ![]() Hmm...No halmarks on the hands either...but, we would expect these to be the same white gold as found in other models: ![]() So, let's pull off the dial too. This thing looks as good naked as it does fully dressed: ![]() The backside of our dial says Rolex 2, and is stamped with the Platinum halmark PT950: ![]() So we have some facts and some clues.. It's safe to say that the bezel weighs 3 times that of the Sub, so is likely Platinum, and the halmark on the backside of the dial doesn't leave any room for argument....Solid Platinum..
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Larry's Tip #2 - Links...Hollow or Solid...Can You Tell...
The latest Rolex bracelets are a step up from the earlier offerings.
Clasps have been updated to machined pieces that give the appearance of greater strength and modern billet. And the links........ The latest have solid links with holes for the connecting pins to go into rather than the folded and hollow links of their predecessors. But can you tell ?? Of course you can....... It's easiest if you fold your bracelet with one link at 90 degrees to the other.. When you do, the solid or hollow link is very apparent. ![]() So..Are yours hollow, or solid ??
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Putting A Daytona Clasp On A Yachtmaster
Many members ask about up-grading their early Oyster clasp to the more modern looking, and functioning, Daytona clasp.
The mechanics are quite simple as the Oyster bracelet is consistent in it's construction. With the permission of Jocke, I have edited slightly, but present his tutorial on this change.. Photography by Jocke The first step, and possibly the most difficult, is actually procuring a Daytona clasp. As you can see, the parts are the clasp and the easy-extension that allows about a half link breathing room when engaged: ![]() Here you can see the end of the clasp where the bracelet attaches. It is sort of a "stub link" that allows the last link in the bracelet to be easily screwed into position: ![]() Inside the clasp we can see the extra spring-bar that the flip lock snaps onto when closing the bracelet on the wrist: ![]() Looking inside both clasps, we can see the extra bar, and we can see the 3 micro-adjustment holes hidden inside the Daytona clasp for even more flexibility. The Oyster lock clasp is simpler in design and shows a single link still in it's original position. The last link was simply unscrewed from the bracelet: ![]() With the original bracelet re-attached to the clasp at the "stub link", and the easy link attached to the other side of the bracelet then pinned in place using the original spring-bar, here is the final result: ![]() ![]() This makes an amazing change to the feel of securing the clasp, not to mention a great look. This can be done for practically any Oyster bracelet. If done to a 93150 Sub bracelet you will lose the divers extention and will have to take out extra links from the extention side. You will also have to brush the finish off the center links for that classic brushed look, but I believe the effort will be well worth it.. ................ ![]() Jockes complete tutorial can be seen here: http://www.wwrforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=97
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Co-Axial Escapement...A Short Primer
There has been a lot of talk about the latest Omega Co-axial movements..
So here is the question .. Will Rolex follow suit ? First I suppose we ought to look at the Co-axial design and see if it's really what it's cracked up to be. ![]() The Co-axial escapement is composed of an intermediary wheel A, a double Coaxial wheel B composed of escapement pinion C and escapement wheel D, pallet fork E with 3 ruby pallet-stones F, G,H and a balance roller K carrying a ruby impulse stone J and a ruby impulse pin L. The roller is fitted to the sprung balance. Now, that's a bunch of stuff to add to what is essentially a decent ETA movement. Hmmmm, What does it do better...... ![]() If you look at the pallet fork (E), you will see that it has an axle (pivots) in the middle. The pallet is suspended in the middle of the wheels and rides on these axles whereas the Swiss Escapement Sliding Pallet used in Rolex and most Swiss movements rests on the case and slides back and forth requiring grease under it to move freely. The Co-axial eliminates that need for grease, and so they claim a longer time between Service Calls. However, there are no other significant changes in all the other areas requiring lube and maintenance, perhaps most importantly, the sliding bridle in the mainspring barrel, so is this enough to radically change the Rolex basic movement.. Personally I think not...my prediction: We will never see a Co-axial in a Rolex movement.... Now, in all fairness, I suppose a comparison isn't valid without something to compare to... This is what Rolex uses...The Swiss Lever Escapement. Out of the 200 or so escapements, this is probably the one found in the majority of Swiss watches. ![]() As you can see, it fits under the Balance Wheel, and, while also pinned in position, it actually slides back and forth as the pallet jewels lock and release the escapement wheel. The crital area is under the pallet "anchor" which must be greased to ensure minimal friction and consistent operation.. Simple, but effective, reliable, and rugged
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Larry's Tip #3 . Clasp Friction Snap Adjustment
The Rolex early stamped clasp on the Oyster or Jubilee bracelet are snapped closed by a friction fit.
If your clasp comes open too easily, doesn't snap at all, or your flip lock is the only piece that holds the clasp in place, the fix is simple. The two stainless steel blades that make up the deployant can be adjusted slightly to have the clasp fit more tightly, or more loosely, depending on your preference. Holding the blade closest to the clasp in both hands, press gently in the center with the thumbs while pulling slightly with the fingers on each end will put a tighter curve (bend) in this piece. This will effectively move the end of the other blade away from the locking part of your clasp making it fit tighter. The Oyster Flip-Lock can be bent at this point: You will notice that this one has been bent for a better fit. Clasp bend.jpg The Jubilee or the Oyster Lock can be bent here: clasp bend2.jpg
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Larry's Tip #4 - How To Spot A Replacement Sapphire Crystal
We have had a few questions lately about changing the Sapphire crystal, and even some concern about unscrupulous vendors who might exchange a Rolex crystal for a cheaper knock-off.
Since 2001, the Sapphire crystals have had the crown etched at the 6 o'clock position, and this remains true to today with the exception of the green sapphire on the GV Milgauss. But, how can you tell ?? Well, any genuine Rolex Sapphire Crystal Service Replacement will have an S etched in the circle at the base of the crown.. Here is a Service Replacement Sapphire Crystal fitted to a 1996 GMT Master with early Tritium dial. The original Crystal did not have any etching and an etched "S" Service Sapphire is proper: ![]()
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The Full Balance Bridge......
So many ask, "Why should I get a Rolex, aren't the movements in watches about the same ?"
The answer is a sound Absolutely Not !! Rolex has always striven for reliability, durability, consistency, and accuracy, a difficult thing to achieve in a mechanical time-piece. One trademark of Rolex watches during this past decade was to bring all Rolex movements up-to-date with a full balance bridge. This cradles the balance spring, the brains of your watch, in a solid and non-moving position where bumps and changes in the outside environment cannot significantly affect it's 28,000 beats per hour rhythm. This also allows Rolex to use a larger balance wheel than some other manufacturers. More mass means a more consistent amplitude and less deviation due to external forces. It's just one good reason why your Rolex is a cut above most of the competition.. Rolex is willing to invest in that little bit extra for you and me. Here is how sturdy the Rolex mechanical CPU is anchored: ![]() By comparison, another very robust and well regarded movement is the Lemania (Omega) 1861. This movement was durable and strong enough to be certified by NASA for space walks. It is one of my favorite and most accurate movements, but it uses a balance cock for support of the balance wheel. ![]() Early Rolex cal. 3035 with a balance Cock (Photo by Jocke) ![]() The improved cal. 3135 with the full bridge.. (Photo by Jocke) ![]()
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Does an SEL Bracelet Fit A 14060M Sub ??
Every once in a while we get asked "Can I fit an SEL bracelet to my 14060M Sub ?'
Well, the short answer is no, not without some modifications... ................ But, why not ![]() Glad you asked............Let's find out.. First we'll need some volunteers and these two have stepped up. A couple of fairly late model 40mm Sports. an EXP II and the Sub 14060M. Both have 20mm across the inside of the lugs and case length and width is almost identical. The Sub sports a non-SEL 93150 with 501B end pieces, the EXP II uses a 78790A with SEL: ![]() I have already taken them apart and the first thing we will look at are the Spring Bars. The Sub spring bars on the left are 2mm in diameter and have a 1.2mm pin on the end. The main body is also longer. These bars only go in the Holes Lug cases and are the strongest. In the middle are the EXP II spring bars, also 2mm in diameter and the end pin is about 1mm, not quite as much meat actually locked into the lug. To the far right is a set of Daytona spring bars. These look the same but are only 1.8mm in diameter. So, all Rolex spring bars are not interchangeable. ![]() Here is a close-up of those ends: ![]() Looking at the ends of each bracelet, we can see the SEL is much more compact and the non-SEL has the bat-wing at the bottom which stops the end from rotating up, but it also means that the spring-bar actually locates the end-piece in position where the solid end of the SEL fits tight against the case and is self locating. ![]() Setting the SEL end in place on the Sub, we notice it fits nicely, the curve matches the case, and it fills it up side-to-side: ![]() But, for some reason, none of the spring bars will lock in.. Why not...even the 1.8mm bars would give us some lateral movement in the case of a hole misalignment.. Let's look closer: Here we can see that there is enough difference in the hole placement that it will be impossible to get a pin to lock in the holes ![]() So, what's the deal.. The Sub hole, although larger, is located 4.30mm from the case edge to the center. There just isn't enough there to allow a spring-bar to snap in place. ![]() Comparing to the EXP II, the hole center is located 4.5mm from the case edge and is a bit smaller for the smaller spring bar pin: ![]() So....What do you do. Well, I don't have any desire to have the SEL on my Sub, so I'm not going to do anything; but, here are some options. 1. The hole in the bracelet can be slightly filed out using a thin jewelers round file on the case side until the pin snaps in. 2. The edge of the SEL can be ground down, staying in radius, until the lug hole aligns with the SEL hole 3. A pin can be pushed, forced, and shoved into place until it snaps in...this usually does a bit of damage to the pin and elongates the inside of the lug hole.. If I really wanted to fit one, I would choose option 2, knowing that it would then no longer be a good fit on an SEL equipped watch case. Option 1 is by far the easiest way, but would leave a bit of a void on the backside of the pin once fitted, although not a big deal as the bracelet cannot move once in place..
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Jewels ? Why 31 in a Rolex....
Rolex claims 31 functional jewels in their basic date movements. Let
s examine what a "fully jeweled movement" is. The basic watch as we know it starts with about 15 Jewels, 7 of which are on the actual escapement - upper and lower balance staff hole jewel, upper and lower balance staff cap jewel, a roller jewel (this is where the pallet "connects" with the hairspring balance), and two jewels on the pallet "arms" that lock and unlock the escape wheel. That leaves the rest to give a bearing bushing to the wheels or gears that turn, even if there isn't a lot of movement involved.. There is almost always an odd number because of that 1 roller jewel. For the 17 jewel watch, they add two extra hole jewels, or bushing jewels to the center wheel, .. ...for a 21, add two to the pallet shaft and two cap jewels to the escape wheel.. Then add some to the date wheel... other complications..chrono functions... Before you know it, you have a handful all over the place.... But it really goes back to that initial 7 doing most of the work...and 21 being a fully jeweled movement.. As has been said....a 15 jewel movement can be as accurate as a 44 jewel movement. ................ With a Rolex, the extra 10 jewels (beyond that of a 21 jewel "fully jeweled" movement) are part of what differentiates the Rolex from other brands.. The Basic 3130 and it's derivatives have 31 fully functional jewels with an additional 8 (in the 3135) for the date function, totaling 39. The 3186 GMT movements have even more even though they too are advertised as 31 jewel movvements. In the 44 jewel Daytona, the extra jewels can be attributed to the extra chronograph functions. In this photo of a GMT Master 3175 movement, you can see the synthetic ruby cap jewel and it's KIF shock absorber spring retainer for the balance, and then to the upper left a hole jewel for one of the reverser wheels for the auto-wind mechanism (red wheel) can be seen. __________________
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Jockes Bracelet Removal Tutorial..
We often get requests on Bracelet removal.
Here is Jocke's very excellent pictorial... ![]() You need a watch, a tool and a tape. I go with the great watchmaker knife from Bergeon/Wenger. ![]() Then I put some tape at the backside of the lugs so I donīt scratch them. ![]() Here you can see the springbar a little closer. ![]() So I pull out the tool that I need. ![]() It looks like this. ![]() Then I put it in place and push at the springbar into the endlink. ![]() Then I pull out the endlink carefully and push at the springbar at the other side until the endlink pop out. ![]() Then I put it back again at the same way as I took it off. First one side and then the other and when the springbar is inside the case at both sides I push down the endlink. Then I have to listen to a little click when the springbar pop out in the casehole. ![]() After that I will check very carefully so the springbar is out correct in place at the case so Iīm sure I didnīt lost my watch. ![]() I hope it helps and good luck. Jocke
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