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Condition check 6263
Hi. Seeking some eyes on this 6263...thanks for any help & opinions.
I know there are reflections on the crystal and dust… But I am assured it's just that. My concern is the hands/dial/case. Anybody see anything that would turn them away or red flags? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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What’s the beginning of the serial number? Do you have photos of the engraving and movement?
The dial is a bit of a wreck, especially the sub-dials, but the case is suspiciously pristine and super fat. That’s a red flag right there. Doesn’t mean it’s not all legit. It just means that it’s odd and would require further scrutiny. Personally, I wouldn’t pursue it based on the dial condition alone. The white sub-dials often take on some patina, but in that example they just look very dirty. You’re also missing some tritium on a couple of the dots and the hand lume ain’t great. And more minor, that’s a service crystal. Here’s my (former) black 6263. This is what you should look for in sub-dials. |
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Those sub-dials would give me no joy in owning this watch.
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Appreciate it gentleman. I told the seller the same thing about the sub-dials…very dirty/too much patina, whatever you’d want to call it.
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Richard, are you looking to get a 6263 now? Have you tried one on? Might be too small for your wrists, certainly smaller than your RM :p
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Hi B. Yes, I’m shopping around. I’ve had one in the past, the size is fine, as my wrists are just under 7 inches. So I’m happy with anything from 36-44mm depending on the shape of the watch, etc….
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Like the guys said, the dial & hand surfaces are so scratched and tarnished in the pics they make you wonder what gives.
Even some of the text fonts look sloppy to me when zoomed.
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I would pass on that one Richard.
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Saw this one in one of the groups. Would have helped the members out here to know this seller is asking 58K
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And $58K is still a ton of money. We have a tendency to lose perspective in this nutty hobby. You could buy a really nice BMW 4 Series Coupe with that money. |
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Which group did you see this on? Haven't seen it hit Moda albeit not much vintage passes through there. Would love to find more dealer groups for vintage.
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Might have been in TWAT.
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That is quite the acronym they have there
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To be devil's advocate, and to give another opinion on collecting strategy, and my perhaps unhinged thinking (but its worked for 46 yrs of collecting, not had trousers pulled down so far) - I'm tbh marginal on that at $58,000 - or better still $50k haggled...
I really don't get emotional on pieces and I'm not a seeker of perfect just original (and want to ensure I'm financially safe in the piece - even after a big mkt wobble). It has to original Rolex, preferably period, not service, but never pay anywhere near retail for anything, and many of my early 52-64 really rare pieces have less than perfect dials....so a if I buy another well priced they don't stick out in bank safe/on the wrist over many others I have. Plexi is fresh service btw. Back to dial. I suspect on the wrist it doesn't look anything like as bad as macro photos. In the back of my mind I also know where to source either a silver or black std dial BR or SIGMA should I want one (c $20-28 k). Start point - A good/fine service dial small red is c $45-48k. That's my build up point for this. For me the number 1 factor at $58k, and over the dial condition, is the question is rest of the watch legit. If ever a watch is a) v cheap, b) small red or c) scratched/marked dial I do a especially keen check...as some discarded orig dials and discarded service dials (that can be bought from $2-3k can find their way into fake cases etc). The case looks light wear so an engraving check is KEY ($15-22k) and case back (dated and/or orig stamped they are pricey $5-6k alone), cal 727 - lots of re-worked non Rolex dodgy ones so need checking ($7-10k +). Bezel, insert ($3-6k) end links ($1k if correct number!!). The pushers, crown, 78350 etc are less critical to me personally as i have a few of each, but should be legit of course as adds up to a few $000'. If all checked out, and that was in UK at c £43-44k, I'd probably have a bash at snaffling it ...
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What would make a dial look like that?
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Probably slightly unsympathetic handling and/or storage when out of watch imho.
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If its all real, for the right price why not
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My vintage watches don’t need to be museum pieces, but there are limits, especially when you’re parting with $58,000. |
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