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17 December 2022, 09:01 AM | #91 | |
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Also, some manufactures recommend not using cabin heat in the Winter to persevere battery. Still a long ways to go. What powers the battery heaters? I haven’t heard of any manufactures producing battery coolers for the high temps though. |
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17 December 2022, 09:03 AM | #92 | |
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You should check out the Toyota Mirai Paul. Available for sale in the US. You guys in California have fuel sites, though I think <25 still total. Locations of fueling sites: https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-repor...ogen-refueling |
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17 December 2022, 09:26 AM | #93 | |
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It’s a non-issue. Also, with the adoption of heat pumps, the creation of cabin heat isn’t so power hungry. EVs also cool the battery in hot weather. It’s all powered from the massive battery. Yes, all of that is a net negative but it’s really a non-issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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17 December 2022, 02:22 PM | #94 | |
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17 December 2022, 03:25 PM | #95 |
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Anyone remember the cargo ship (Felicity Ace) full of EVs that sank off the coast of Portugal because it was burning so hot that it melted through the hull?
https://insurancemarinenews.com/insu...damage-estate/
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17 December 2022, 11:40 PM | #96 | |
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No, but I remember some high school chemistry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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18 December 2022, 01:57 AM | #97 | |
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18 December 2022, 02:28 AM | #98 | |
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When was the last time an ice vehicle just spontaneously set a house or tanker ablaze. Insurance rates are considerably higher on EV vehicles for this reason and has occurred many times then ice vehicles in EV vehicles short existence….just google it. https://getjerry.com/electric-vehicl...irthday-candle Just working on a EV incorrectly can electrocute the mechanic or EMS person. |
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18 December 2022, 03:01 AM | #99 | |
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I know all about thermal runaway events with electric vehicles. I've seen the testing in person on single cells, full batteries and complete vehicles. But I also know the rarity of it in the field and the developments that over time will virtually eliminate it. Cars have been catching fire while parked for decades. Just this year alone Ford, Kia and 3 other companies have recalls for engine fires, including recommending owners park outside until repairs/modifications are made. Sent using Tapatalk |
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18 December 2022, 03:21 AM | #100 | |
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At least we know that if we die in an EV fire the cremation is free.
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18 December 2022, 05:13 AM | #101 | |
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But of course, as soon as the THOUSANDS of scientists, environmentalists, and engineers that are powering this transition read the thread from Joe Bobo, they are all going to change their minds and say: “Yeah, he has something there, we will just forget it and go back to all ICE powered vehicles. It’s the future, lOVE it or hate it, bury your head in the sand, do whatever you want, it is happening. |
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18 December 2022, 05:39 AM | #102 | |
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I thought it was about EV’s. Since you are obviously on one side you discredit the scientist, politicians and engineers groups who disagree that EV will save the planet and agree it’s a virtue signal cash grab because everyone agrees money rules the world and scientist can be swayed by it just like you! No that long ago there were scientist who said we would soon enter and ice age before global warming was the next fear grift. Scientist are proven wrong everyday but since the ones you agree with you you quote for your argument. Remember the dinosaur's? Well they ended up extinct well before global warming and scientist can’t agree how that actually happened. Why think they can predict the future that hasn’t like you think they can! It’s about changing the world while spending mass amounts of money to make more using fear and control to do it. Fact I can do this with you as long as keep quoting me I had actually forgotten you! |
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18 December 2022, 05:54 AM | #103 | |
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Please, feel free to quote me anytime, but just so I understand, a straight up question, and please answer me straightly (is straightly a word? ). Let me rephrase, answer me directly with a yes or a no. Is it your opinion, that sometime, perhaps immediately, perhaps a few years from now, but prior to the ban on ICE powered vehicles, the governments, businesses, environmentalists, all the people and organizations that I mentioned above, that have spent BILLIONS of dollars and countless hours of effort, in many different countries, will come to the conclusion they are wrong and reverse all these steps and ICE vehicles will continue to be the dominant type? I realize they are right now, and will be for decades, but is it your belief that the steps to convert to an EV (or hydrogen or?) powered vehicle civilization will all be withdrawn and forgotten and we will continue like we have for the last 100 or so years? (ICE as the main source). Is that your opinion? I am off to the gym (in my EV) right now but I look forward to reading your response! |
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18 December 2022, 05:55 AM | #104 |
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I've read that before designing and building the Model T, Henry Ford had asked people on forums what they wanted.
The consensus was a faster horse. Sent using Tapatalk |
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When I see the spirit of some here, I wonder how we all progressed from the stone age.
Unfortunately EVs became a political football and many naysayers have no problems using ACs at home ( with a heavy impact to the power grid and generated by burning fuel/coal) or are totally ok with the environmental impact of producing, transporting and burning fuels in EVs. EVs are just at the beginning of their evolution, there are issues that can have to be solved, but considering that EVs (how we know them) are on the market for such a short time, they are not half as bad as many commenters imagine them to be. And the car manufacturers have moved on for some time and will move to EVs more and more. They have learnt that consumer demand is shifting in that direction - far too late may I say. But better late than never |
18 December 2022, 06:29 AM | #106 | |
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Something will soon come along that will change all your experts minds like the grid crashing, minerals extinct, hydrogen power etc. Lets not forget the EMP or hack of power plant that can keep from using that electric in event of emergency. I guess you missed the part where I said we also own an EV…Taycan to be exact. But that doesn’t mean I drink kool-aid or pat myself on the back about saving the planet. I’m sure those fighter jets I read you talk about flying will on day be battery powered too and the trains and the tankers and the power plants and earth movers and ocean liners, freighter and the private and commercial planes etc. Don’t forget to recycle your water bottle after your workout that you feel your doing doing your part. Lol |
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18 December 2022, 07:14 AM | #107 |
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As the owner of three old motorbikes I have a vested interest in not wanting the world to go EV
BUT EVs are by far the most exciting thing that's happened to transportation for decades. ICE has pretty much reach its development life and it's mainly tweaking 100 year old technology EVs are in reality only a few years in and already better than most ICE in most aspects Sure there's a way to go but what an amazing journey it's going to be. I'll be too old to enjoy it but I for one remain fascinated by how far this can go and tbf I'm likely to be dead long before the tech is replaced by God knows what My ex father in law was one of those involved in the film "the great global warming swindle" so I'm well versed in global warming and the politics which has skewed the science but I remember him saying to me back in the mid eighties "oil is an amazing product, it's far too valuable to just be setting light to it" He was far more concerned with pollution which was and is a major global concern, than MMGW which in his (and mine) isn't was or ever will be. EVs are not the sole answer but they are part of the solution IMHO |
18 December 2022, 08:52 AM | #108 | |
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EVs are being pushed by city dwellers / industrialists / environmental sympathizers because they believe that everyone lives in cities or suburbs living lives similar to their own. Your horse analogy is useful because it shows that while the townfolk adopted automobiles for play and travel, the hard or dirty work was still being done by teams of horses. This short sighted thinking will not play well with light and medium duty ICE vehicles that work for a living off the city grid or seldom even see asphalt. The aforementioned environmental sympathizers seldom venture into the world where hard, dirty work is performed so they don't realize the need for vehicles capable of working independently. Perhaps someone will invent a mobile battery charging truck that travels to worksites and farms to "refuel" all the cars and trucks in the field.
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18 December 2022, 09:10 AM | #109 |
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I am honestly no where near panicked about the gradual or government mandated EVs. Nothing ever moves as fast as politicians pinitially propose. I will likely get one last V8, manual transmission car when the refreshed 2024 Mustang is out this summer.
EVs are absolutely a better choice than ICE for many commuters, delivery routes, school busses, urban taxis, etc. It wouldn't work as an only vehicle for me but then again no vehicle would. I lived with an EV for 2 weeks in Europe earlier this year. My daily commute was maybe 70 miles round trip. I visited some places 90 miles away one way on the weekends and did all my charging at the hotel. EVs may or may not be less polluting if you look at the total cradle to grave footprint but there is something to be said for reducing ICE traffic in big congested cities by having more EVs in those local areas. |
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Oh, and is reminding me to recycle my water bottle (which I do by the way) to quote: “feel doing doing your part… LOL” an insult? I fail to see why an individual “doing their part” to conserve resources, reduce waste etc. Is deserved of an insult, but I guess considering the source I shouldn’t be surprised. I have been very respectful to you in this thread, even though we completely disagree on the future of EVs I have acknowledged your right to your opinion and have merely asked for clarification, and you respond by insulting me, insinuating I claim to be saving the world by owning an EV and recycling my water bottle. How dare I! |
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19 December 2022, 01:13 AM | #115 | |
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This has everything to do with driving up energy costs in certain markets to price out geopolitical adversaries and shift power balances. And a fight for which currency will price crude in the future as some trying to push the petro dollar out of existence. This will be exposed over the next 5-7 years. The chaos and market volatility in the meanwhile is what affords the opportunity for realignment later. Always the opportunity in the chaos to develop the situation. |
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19 December 2022, 01:58 AM | #116 |
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I have read the whole thread, and my takeaway is that I would rather drive a gas powered car, until and unless charging stations are easier to find nationwide than gas stations.
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19 December 2022, 02:38 AM | #117 |
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Electric cars.
When EVs are equal to ICE for my needs then I’m in. I would love to never need to go to a gas station and I would assume they have a very quiet ride.
$50k half ton Toyota Tundra 4WD truck that gets 500 miles per tank. Probably will be available eventually. The environmental stuff is not a factor for me. |
19 December 2022, 02:46 AM | #118 | |
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Your point about using plastics in EVs is just a distraction (just like the burning freighter and the need of water incase an EV burns - not by you). Your last chapter is just a conspiracy theory! Why don‘t you put the same amount of energy in criticizing burning oil with all consequences like you are trying to find arguments why EVs are evil? |
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MPG now becomes MPC
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