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RogerF · 18 July 2005, 01:24 PM

If it is, why is there no 24 hour hand?

dman · 18 July 2005, 01:55 PM

I think that is not only a fake, but a pretty bad one at that, I could be wrong, but I hope I am not proven so.

RogerF · 18 July 2005, 02:01 PM

Ya I have been told its a fake. Lately I have been searching for info on the white dial Pan Am GMTs. I have become very interested in this piece (not to buy obviously since I cant imagine how much its worth)

I guess the crown guards should have been the giveaway

dman · 18 July 2005, 02:13 PM

That would be a very sweet, but expensive find for sure. I have never seen one in person, but I would really like to for sure!!

RogerF · 18 July 2005, 02:29 PM

I wish I could see a real one in person too.

JJ Irani · 18 July 2005, 04:15 PM

Hey Roger,

That atrocious FAKE is contaminating the genuine one on the left. Please throw it in the nearest bin, thank you.

JJ

RogerF · 18 July 2005, 05:02 PM

It looks fake to me too, but I have seen neither a first generation GMT (the first few issued to Pan Am employees white for ground and black for pilots) so I am not sure about the dial fonts and what not. I really want to know how many of the original white dialed models still exist. This piece has become quite interesting to me.

RogerF · 18 July 2005, 05:06 PM

Ah ha, this should be a real one.

padi56 · 18 July 2005, 05:16 PM

The one on the right was made in the famous watchmaking town of
Wongtyme China, and guaranteed to go wong, after 24 hours if you get
a good one.

maverick · 18 July 2005, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerF

Ya I have been told its a fake. Lately I have been searching for info on the white dial Pan Am GMTs. I have become very interested in this piece (not to buy obviously since I cant imagine how much its worth)

I guess the crown guards should have been the giveaway

I believe 300 were originally made to distinguish the ground crew from the pilots. They are very rare. As you can see the dial and hands are obviously replaced. I imagine they are worth a ton. I do not know if any more were made. =) maverick

padi56 · 18 July 2005, 06:03 PM

As legend has it, in 1958 or 59, Pan Am President Juan Trippe had Rolex manufacture a batch of 100+ GMT Masters solely for the Pan Am executives. These special wristwatches differed from the watches given to Pan Am flight crews in that these "desk pilot" watches had a white dial (rather than the usual black dial)... What is very interesting is that over the last 40+ years, only two of these special Rolex watches have ever been found.I would expect if you could find a original one it would cost telephone numbers.

maverick · 26 July 2005, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

As legend has it, in 1958 or 59, Pan Am President Juan Trippe had Rolex manufacture a batch of 100+ GMT Masters solely for the Pan Am executives. These special wristwatches differed from the watches given to Pan Am flight crews in that these "desk pilot" watches had a white dial (rather than the usual black dial)... What is very interesting is that over the last 40+ years, only two of these special Rolex watches have ever been found.I would expect if you could find a original one it would cost telephone numbers.

Padi, thanks for correcting my mistake. I wrote that from memory and got some details wrong. 100+ (white dial) is the correct number, for executives only.=) maverick

padi56 · 26 July 2005, 04:17 PM

Maverick if you ever find a genuine one mate,you would be quite
a wealthy man,and drinks will be on you.

maverick · 27 July 2005, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Maverick if you ever find a genuine one mate,you would be quite
a wealthy man,and drinks will be on you.

You have a deal. ;-) maverick

18 July 2005, 01:24 PM	#1
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	Is this a real white faced GMT? If it is, why is there no 24 hour hand?

18 July 2005, 01:55 PM	#2
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,583	I think that is not only a fake, but a pretty bad one at that, I could be wrong, but I hope I am not proven so. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

18 July 2005, 02:13 PM	#4
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,583	That would be a very sweet, but expensive find for sure. I have never seen one in person, but I would really like to for sure!! __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

18 July 2005, 04:15 PM	#6
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	Hey Roger, That atrocious FAKE is contaminating the genuine one on the left. Please throw it in the nearest bin, thank you. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

18 July 2005, 05:16 PM	#9
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,417	The one on the right was made in the famous watchmaking town of Wongtyme China, and guaranteed to go wong, after 24 hours if you get a good one. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

18 July 2005, 02:01 PM	#3
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	Ya I have been told its a fake. Lately I have been searching for info on the white dial Pan Am GMTs. I have become very interested in this piece (not to buy obviously since I cant imagine how much its worth) I guess the crown guards should have been the giveaway

18 July 2005, 02:29 PM	#5
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	I wish I could see a real one in person too.

18 July 2005, 05:02 PM	#7
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	It looks fake to me too, but I have seen neither a first generation GMT (the first few issued to Pan Am employees white for ground and black for pilots) so I am not sure about the dial fonts and what not. I really want to know how many of the original white dialed models still exist. This piece has become quite interesting to me.

18 July 2005, 05:06 PM	#8
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	Ah ha, this should be a real one.

26 July 2005, 04:17 PM	#13
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,417	Maverick if you ever find a genuine one mate,you would be quite a wealthy man,and drinks will be on you. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

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