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LuminousMaximus · 2 May 2020, 02:09 AM

I was just wondering if the consensus is that newer is better in this example.

I Know if the basic differences, but help me dive into the way each is built and how will it fare for the long haul...

Caliber 3186

Debut Year = 2005
Power Reserve = 48 hours
Frequency = 28,800bph
Diameter = 28.50mm
Hairspring = Blue Parachrom
Escapement = Swiss Lever Escapement
Shock Absorbers = KIF
Balance Staff = Riveted
Perpetual Rotor = Axle; riveted two-piece
Barrel = Thicker barrel walls with shorter mainspring

Caliber 3285

Debut year = 2018
Power Reserve = 70 hours
Frequency = 28,800bph
Diameter = 28.50mm
Hairspring = Blue Parachrom
Escapement = Chronergy Escapement with thinner pallet stones and double escape wheel teeth (15% increased efficiency)
Shock Absorbers = Paraflex
Balance Staff = Friction-fit
Perpetual Rotor = Ball-Bearing; Monobloc
Barrel = Thinner barrel walls with longer mainspring

Ballzzz · 2 May 2020, 02:22 AM

From everything I read, the newer movements do have advancements in the area of efficiency and power reserve. Those advancements come at the cost of having third party serviceability.

BASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS?

WatchGuy1966 · 2 May 2020, 02:23 AM

Is it too early to reflect until the movement has been in the market 5-10 years?

Right now, it's probably just opinion. Yet, I'm interested in watchmakers' opinions.

georgekart · 2 May 2020, 09:32 AM

So here's the thing. Most parts on 3186 are shared with other 31xx movements and the only different part is the part responsible for GMT/date functionality. Early 3186 seemed to have issues with the click spring but newer ones seem to be fixed. Unless new issues arise with it. Apart from that, good old tested movement.

3285 is really new because both 32xx series it is based on is new and it has some new components. It might be more reliable in the long run or it might turn out unreliable. We won't know until we do.

Apart from that, there are advantages of 3186 over 3285 and vice versa ignoring the GMT mechanism part. Look up 31xx vs 32xx or 3135 vs 3235. New movement is more efficient, longer power reserve, however more of them seem to have issues with low amplitude due to bad lubrication out of the box. It also uses a ball bearing rotor vs axle on 31xx.

Onikage · 2 May 2020, 10:58 AM

3285 has a noisier if more reliable rotor and grinding cinder-like winding action. Neither are necessarily negative but silent rotor and buttery smooth winding are two things I liked about Rolex absent in equivalent watches from other brands often characteristic of the ETA movements that other brands used in abundance.

Andad · 2 May 2020, 11:05 AM

The original 3185 movement was reliable.

LuminousMaximus · 2 May 2020, 02:45 PM

I did read the 3135 vs 3235 and it was a good read and the 3135 edged out the newer movement by a few hairs...

you can go quillandpad to read about 3135 vs 3235

BiG JeEzY · 2 May 2020, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

I did read the 3135 vs 3235 and it was a good read and the 3135 edged out the newer movement by a few hairs...

you can go quillandpad to read about 3135 vs 3235

Here is the exact article for TRF members who might be interested.

https://quillandpad.com/2019/11/19/w...ich-is-better/

Ihatecheese · 2 May 2020, 04:35 PM

I would go with the newer movements if offered. It's not like I am going to be taking my new watches to independent repair shops anymore and use different parts.

Also rotate watches a lot so the extra day would be handy. Oh well!

Andad · 2 May 2020, 04:50 PM

If the new movement runs without a fault during the warranty period then you should be ok.

shedlock2000 · 2 May 2020, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Andad

If the new movement runs without a fault during the warranty period then you should be ok.

I agree with Eddie, but the Tudor GMT peeps are reporting massive fail on the half of Tudor and the date rolling issue.

I doubt this will be an issue for Rolex, though — we’d have seen issues by now, at least.

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Vincent65 · 2 May 2020, 05:58 PM

Circa 50 hours power reserve seems like plenty to me.

3135 is excellent IMHO. No noisy rotor, no grinding winding... man.

Gerardus · 2 May 2020, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

Circa 50 hours power reserve seems like plenty to me.

3135 is excellent IMHO. No noisy rotor, no grinding winding... man.

->THIS<-

SearChart · 2 May 2020, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

Circa 50 hours power reserve seems like plenty to me.

3135 is excellent IMHO. No noisy rotor, no grinding winding... man.

And is super reliable

Sugarloaf · 2 May 2020, 07:10 PM

Hi,

Do you think in the future (in 10 to 20 years) for a 16710, it would be possible to switch the 3186 movement with a new 3285, during an overhaul?

padi56 · 2 May 2020, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

And is super reliable

Have to agree Bas afraid today newer, more power-reserve, or heavier is not always better.

SearChart · 2 May 2020, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarloaf

Hi,

Do you think in the future (in 10 to 20 years) for a 16710, it would be possible to switch the 3186 movement with a new 3285, during an overhaul?

No.

padi56 · 2 May 2020, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarloaf

Hi,

Do you think in the future (in 10 to 20 years) for a 16710, it would be possible to switch the 3186 movement with a new 3285, during an overhaul?

No and cannot understand why anyone would want too,in aprox 10-20 years they could be on a cal 3286/7 and would doubt if any more accurate or reliable as the 3185.

Vincent65 · 2 May 2020, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

And is super reliable

Yeah, thought that went without saying! Very reliable. Nailed it, basically.

joli160 · 2 May 2020, 10:37 PM

I buy watches on how they look. Which movement is fitted doesn't matter to me.

sub2011 · 2 May 2020, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by joli160

I buy watches on how they look. Which movement is fitted doesn't matter to me.

Yes, as most Rolex's owners. Only we TRFers, very sick people, care about that.

2 May 2020, 02:09 AM	#1
LuminousMaximus "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Watch: me hit Huge Lotto Posts: 6,502	3285 vs 3186 Rolex Movement I was just wondering if the consensus is that newer is better in this example. I Know if the basic differences, but help me dive into the way each is built and how will it fare for the long haul... Caliber 3186 Debut Year = 2005 Power Reserve = 48 hours Frequency = 28,800bph Diameter = 28.50mm Hairspring = Blue Parachrom Escapement = Swiss Lever Escapement Shock Absorbers = KIF Balance Staff = Riveted Perpetual Rotor = Axle; riveted two-piece Barrel = Thicker barrel walls with shorter mainspring Caliber 3285 Debut year = 2018 Power Reserve = 70 hours Frequency = 28,800bph Diameter = 28.50mm Hairspring = Blue Parachrom Escapement = Chronergy Escapement with thinner pallet stones and double escape wheel teeth (15% increased efficiency) Shock Absorbers = Paraflex Balance Staff = Friction-fit Perpetual Rotor = Ball-Bearing; Monobloc Barrel = Thinner barrel walls with longer mainspring __________________ “Every man Dies... Not Every Man, Really Lives.” – William Wallace - To really lives means to live your life to the fullest. It means to chase your dreams, take risks, and to love life. Since everyone’s fate is the same, why not live the best life that you possibly can? In order to really live,you must seize the day. Live each day as if it's your last and overall just do it! Today is a gift, that’s why it’s called the present...

2 May 2020, 02:22 AM	#2
Ballzzz 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: NY Posts: 2,483	From everything I read, the newer movements do have advancements in the area of efficiency and power reserve. Those advancements come at the cost of having third party serviceability. BASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS? __________________ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein

2 May 2020, 10:58 AM	#5
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	3285 has a noisier if more reliable rotor and grinding cinder-like winding action. Neither are necessarily negative but silent rotor and buttery smooth winding are two things I liked about Rolex absent in equivalent watches from other brands often characteristic of the ETA movements that other brands used in abundance. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

2 May 2020, 11:05 AM	#6
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,947	The original 3185 movement was reliable. __________________ E

2 May 2020, 02:45 PM	#7
LuminousMaximus "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Watch: me hit Huge Lotto Posts: 6,502	I did read the 3135 vs 3235 and it was a good read and the 3135 edged out the newer movement by a few hairs... you can go quillandpad to read about 3135 vs 3235 __________________ “Every man Dies... Not Every Man, Really Lives.” – William Wallace - To really lives means to live your life to the fullest. It means to chase your dreams, take risks, and to love life. Since everyone’s fate is the same, why not live the best life that you possibly can? In order to really live,you must seize the day. Live each day as if it's your last and overall just do it! Today is a gift, that’s why it’s called the present...

2 May 2020, 02:23 AM	#3
WatchGuy1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Location Location Posts: 1,758	Is it too early to reflect until the movement has been in the market 5-10 years? Right now, it's probably just opinion. Yet, I'm interested in watchmakers' opinions.

2 May 2020, 09:32 AM	#4
georgekart "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,491	So here's the thing. Most parts on 3186 are shared with other 31xx movements and the only different part is the part responsible for GMT/date functionality. Early 3186 seemed to have issues with the click spring but newer ones seem to be fixed. Unless new issues arise with it. Apart from that, good old tested movement. 3285 is really new because both 32xx series it is based on is new and it has some new components. It might be more reliable in the long run or it might turn out unreliable. We won't know until we do. Apart from that, there are advantages of 3186 over 3285 and vice versa ignoring the GMT mechanism part. Look up 31xx vs 32xx or 3135 vs 3235. New movement is more efficient, longer power reserve, however more of them seem to have issues with low amplitude due to bad lubrication out of the box. It also uses a ball bearing rotor vs axle on 31xx.

2 May 2020, 04:35 PM	#9
Ihatecheese Banned Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: London Posts: 978	I would go with the newer movements if offered. It's not like I am going to be taking my new watches to independent repair shops anymore and use different parts. Also rotate watches a lot so the extra day would be handy. Oh well!

2 May 2020, 04:50 PM	#10
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,947	If the new movement runs without a fault during the warranty period then you should be ok. __________________ E

2 May 2020, 05:58 PM	#12
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,297	Circa 50 hours power reserve seems like plenty to me. 3135 is excellent IMHO. No noisy rotor, no grinding winding... man. __________________

2 May 2020, 07:10 PM	#15
Sugarloaf "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Somewhere Posts: 43	Hi, Do you think in the future (in 10 to 20 years) for a 16710, it would be possible to switch the 3186 movement with a new 3285, during an overhaul?

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